Message from @FroggyC

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2018-05-28 21:56:59 UTC  

nope

2018-05-28 21:59:02 UTC  

OK, well still 25-30% sounds like a fairly good number.

2018-05-28 22:19:03 UTC  

Actually, if we're just talking about the number of people that need to participate, would it maybe be better to set it at something like 50-60%? That way enough people will have to know that it's unlikely that anyone didn't participate due to a lack of knowledge of the referendum.

2018-05-29 17:04:32 UTC  

I'd say between 30% and 40%

2018-05-29 17:04:42 UTC  
2018-05-29 17:05:08 UTC  
2018-05-29 17:05:16 UTC  

We have the participation quorum in Italy

2018-05-29 17:05:21 UTC  

it's the same problem

2018-05-29 17:05:37 UTC  

it should require 40% participation

2018-05-29 17:05:44 UTC  

50

2018-05-29 17:05:56 UTC  

50% quorum sounds like a good idea but it's not

2018-05-29 17:25:15 UTC  

@FroggyC why not? Also why did you @ me twice?

2018-05-29 18:03:13 UTC  

@Kelben sorry, didn't notice that I @'d you twice

2018-05-29 18:03:42 UTC  

Because if the quorum is too low who's against the referendum will campaign for not voting

2018-05-29 18:03:49 UTC  

No problem, I was just curious

2018-05-29 18:04:00 UTC  

It needs to be low enough that passing the quorum is almost always a significant risk

2018-05-29 18:04:46 UTC  

In that case who's against the referendum will not campaign for not voting, because they risk losing with a ~95% vote and that doesn't look good

2018-05-29 18:05:15 UTC  

Look at the history of Italian referenda

2018-05-29 18:05:30 UTC  

(the popular ones, which implement a 50% participation quorum system)

2018-05-29 18:05:37 UTC  

And see how many just didn't meet the quorum

2018-05-29 18:05:47 UTC  

Then look at how many won with a 90%+ vote

2018-05-29 18:06:22 UTC  

The only case in which both Yes and No campaigns went to vote is when the issue was very contested and it was well known that a lot of people would vote

2018-05-29 18:06:54 UTC  

Not only, if people against the referendum campaign for not voting, voting No basically helps the Yes campaign, as retarded as that sounds

2018-05-29 18:07:06 UTC  

Because by helping meet the quorum they make the referendum pass.

2018-05-29 18:07:12 UTC  

I hope I've been clear

2018-05-29 18:08:30 UTC  

from 1997 to now the only referendum that we passed was this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_referendums,_2011, and it passed with a 95.4% Yes vote. Which doesn't represent the actual amount of people that wanted it to pass, because most people that didn't want it to pass just didn't vote.

2018-05-29 18:09:00 UTC  

Also it's problematic because you can see who goes to vote and who doesn't, so voting is not secret anymore, as it's clear that if you go vote you support Yes

2018-05-29 18:17:42 UTC  

OK, i see. And while I think this problem would be slightly medicated by the fact that referendums would not be set during their own special elections, but instead thrown onto the ballot of the next scheduled election, I can still see how everything you mentioned would still be a problem. Thanks for the help.

2018-05-31 05:02:03 UTC  

🇫 ℹ 🇬 🇭 🇹

2018-05-31 05:18:09 UTC  

Is internalizing your Identitarianism the alt-right version of internalizing Racism? 🤔

2018-05-31 05:26:51 UTC  

@HURR DURR ROCKY TOP i see you're a fan of the york <:Chad:426417002295459844>

2018-05-31 05:28:31 UTC  

Just saw a woman with a book about act like a lady think like a man. <:VeePalm:440213314677768194>

2018-05-31 05:30:31 UTC  

@D.kota tis my tribe

2018-05-31 05:30:44 UTC  

of course

2018-05-31 05:30:58 UTC  

The suicide tribe?

2018-05-31 05:34:09 UTC  

the york tribe

2018-05-31 05:34:59 UTC  

fuck lancaster

2018-05-31 05:35:06 UTC  

but what about tudor

2018-05-31 05:35:20 UTC  

no.

2018-05-31 05:35:23 UTC  

yes