Message from @D.kota

Discord ID: 451618512960618497


2018-05-29 18:03:49 UTC  

No problem, I was just curious

2018-05-29 18:04:00 UTC  

It needs to be low enough that passing the quorum is almost always a significant risk

2018-05-29 18:04:46 UTC  

In that case who's against the referendum will not campaign for not voting, because they risk losing with a ~95% vote and that doesn't look good

2018-05-29 18:05:15 UTC  

Look at the history of Italian referenda

2018-05-29 18:05:30 UTC  

(the popular ones, which implement a 50% participation quorum system)

2018-05-29 18:05:37 UTC  

And see how many just didn't meet the quorum

2018-05-29 18:05:47 UTC  

Then look at how many won with a 90%+ vote

2018-05-29 18:06:22 UTC  

The only case in which both Yes and No campaigns went to vote is when the issue was very contested and it was well known that a lot of people would vote

2018-05-29 18:06:54 UTC  

Not only, if people against the referendum campaign for not voting, voting No basically helps the Yes campaign, as retarded as that sounds

2018-05-29 18:07:06 UTC  

Because by helping meet the quorum they make the referendum pass.

2018-05-29 18:07:12 UTC  

I hope I've been clear

2018-05-29 18:08:30 UTC  

from 1997 to now the only referendum that we passed was this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_referendums,_2011, and it passed with a 95.4% Yes vote. Which doesn't represent the actual amount of people that wanted it to pass, because most people that didn't want it to pass just didn't vote.

2018-05-29 18:09:00 UTC  

Also it's problematic because you can see who goes to vote and who doesn't, so voting is not secret anymore, as it's clear that if you go vote you support Yes

2018-05-29 18:17:42 UTC  

OK, i see. And while I think this problem would be slightly medicated by the fact that referendums would not be set during their own special elections, but instead thrown onto the ballot of the next scheduled election, I can still see how everything you mentioned would still be a problem. Thanks for the help.

2018-05-31 05:02:03 UTC  

🇫 ℹ 🇬 🇭 🇹

2018-05-31 05:18:09 UTC  

Is internalizing your Identitarianism the alt-right version of internalizing Racism? 🤔

2018-05-31 05:26:51 UTC  

@HURR DURR ROCKY TOP i see you're a fan of the york <:Chad:426417002295459844>

2018-05-31 05:28:31 UTC  

Just saw a woman with a book about act like a lady think like a man. <:VeePalm:440213314677768194>

2018-05-31 05:30:31 UTC  

@D.kota tis my tribe

2018-05-31 05:30:44 UTC  

of course

2018-05-31 05:30:58 UTC  

The suicide tribe?

2018-05-31 05:34:09 UTC  

the york tribe

2018-05-31 05:34:59 UTC  

fuck lancaster

2018-05-31 05:35:06 UTC  

but what about tudor

2018-05-31 05:35:20 UTC  

no.

2018-05-31 05:35:23 UTC  

yes

2018-05-31 05:35:26 UTC  

tudor best

2018-05-31 05:35:29 UTC  

no.

2018-05-31 05:35:32 UTC  

tudor rules

2018-05-31 05:35:35 UTC  

no.

2018-05-31 05:35:35 UTC  

tudor forever

2018-05-31 05:35:39 UTC  

plz no.

2018-05-31 05:35:40 UTC  

tudor never dies

2018-05-31 05:35:51 UTC  

they evidently did

2018-05-31 05:35:53 UTC  

shit

2018-05-31 05:36:10 UTC  

Rip

2018-05-31 05:48:12 UTC  

tfw even if you take into account the "rural-urban divide" the rates are higher

2018-05-31 05:50:45 UTC  

Yo!

2018-05-31 05:50:52 UTC  

🤔 🔫

2018-05-31 05:51:16 UTC  

We have a debate server now.