Message from @ego_sum_jeffum
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Just no
I think there's one person here attacking the anarkiddies
And how do you have ownership without constructing an institution of coercion and compulsion?
Workers ownership
You can have worker ownership without a state
Never said you couldn't
I said it simply doesn't work without the state
However you define state, you need some coercive power to compel people to respect the owner's decisions regarding their property
>muh private property
The workers are the owner, get on my level
The workers of *what* get to own *what*?
@ego_sum_jeffum How so? Anarchist movements have been much more successful than authsoc ones, only reason they fell was because of suppression by Tankies and and fash
Does everyone own everything all at once?
Anarchist movement haven't been successful
@Katherine the workers control the means of production. In other words, the laborers in a factory own that factory, etc
Because they've never worked
Or were true anarchism
Lol
I see anarchists are the most secretarian
@Марко Then the workers of a given factory need some sort of coercive agency to enforce their decisions regarding what they own
mhmm
Also you claim to be a Marxist but you proceed to say "currency is necessary" while Marx explicitly sought that communism was the abolishment of capital altogether
I said currency was necessary before full communism
@Katherine that is not true. Workers can be their own masters without the need for a state
Once scarcity is gone we don't need any form of currency
@Марко example?
Scarcity will never be gone, but resources can be conserved.
Revolutionary Catalonia, Paris Commune, etc
@Марко A non-worker comes to the factory and wants to use it to make a different kind of toy than the workers want. What happens?
The Ukranian Free Territory
Scarcity can be gone
Explain why you think that
And btw everything you mentioned weren't anarchist
@Katherine if he labors to make the toy then he is a worker
And thus owns the MOP along with the other workers
Rather simple
NAP