But I don't think we should use it as an explicitly american organization

I believe Thomas views it as german symbol specifically

The swastikas is a foreign symbol, I wouldn't use the sonnenrand or Slavic sun wheel either

The fasces is literally the physical representation of "from many one"

they are both ancient symbols and I understand the affinity for it

I think it's more of a broadly Germanic thing, if any. We also don't use relatively un-demonized runes like the black sun because they aren't American in nature.

I don't know what your ethnic origin is but greater than our ethnicities the swastika represents the white race and even greater than that it is a symbol of the idea of ethno-nationalism as a whole

That said, I happen to remember a few members with a swastika flag

@Ablesmith How does the symbol itself, as part of its origin, represent ethnonationalism?

You can have a swastika or you can actually have members, easy call for me.

You’ve already got to be redpilled to appreciate the imagery, and without that you’re just going to be turned off. Practicality over sentimental symbols

It's an Indo Aryan symbol used by Hitler and the NSDAP. I truly believe National Socialism is the most successful form of fascism while it existed but it has nothing to do with what we are trying to accomplish

@Rocky Place 😏

I believe he's making the point that it is a representation of the white race. I am simply saying that we are an explicit american organization and so draw the symbolism closer. The swastika is too wide. Let's not forget also that it has been programmed into many that it is an inherintly evil symbol. And while we do not agree with those people, it helps break the conditioning when you don't look like the stereotypical villain and still proclaim your values

It was a symbol that was used by the most widely known ethno nationalists in history. It is used currently by nationalists all around the globe. America, Japan and South America to name a few. Of course I want to live in an ethno state full of white brothers and sisters from all European ethnicities but I will stand for any people that seek self determination and freedom from the Jews

That's great. We're not using Swastikas so it's moot

A race is a larger classification of a people than a nation. There are many nations which compose a race. The White race is composed of many nations, one of those nations is America. We are centered on national identity, not racial identity as the first concept we bring to the table. Universal symbols, as you see the swastika, are thus not really at the core of our message.

Whatever. I'm not saying you should use the swastika.

Its hard to read tone in text, so I hope we're all coming across as we intend

I'm trying to deep dive into the ideology behind this organization because other than the manifesto there really isn't much substance

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Isn't much substance?

Give me a question, and I will give you an answer.

Your statement you made last sufficed for the answer I was looking for

Wym?

Gotcha, well don't hesitate to bring anything up if you're curious.

"The American identity has no substance but the swastika does"

Odds are I've been asked something similar before.

I didn't say the American identity has no substance

@southland That's not what he's saying.

I'm talking about the substance of this specific organization

Yes

The organization that you are a part of

Point being?

@southland He is more than free to ask questions about my positions.

Calm down folks.

Let's keep it civil.

I like this group, but seeing people talk so much shit about other groups gets to me a bit

I don't endorse the harsh critiques of other organizations. Everyone's stance to them should be at best neutral. Your mindset should be to provide an alternative if you believe they are doing something wrong, not to pull them down.

That's always been my stance.