that sort of vein

imagine if your dentist operated on microtransactions

That doesn't match my description.

Like your gender

why not think of them as 'otherwordly beings' that fuck with people, because we dont know what exactly the cause of certain occurrences are exactly

@Cryosite See what I mean? Idiot

rood words

if we're just going to say 'ive never sensed any physical evidence that a thing is as real as a tree is' thats the conversation about the literal

just as bad as the bible thumpers

laws arent real

ideas arent real

*sigh*

Autism

only how people behave knowing they are ideas

and so we act like theyre real things

unless you want to point to a book and say 'see, laws are real'

But noone cares about that

i cant touch the laws

like a tree

Literally noone

Anyway. Ultimately the conversation goes back and forth a few times like this.

Empiricism and rationalism both have good points. I lean well into empiricism. Most theists go pretty hard into rationalism, if they're at all intelligent.

The worry is the people that DO think it's literal and why.

its not either or

Both have things to offer to good conversation, but the conflicts between them generate impasse at times.

empirically speaking, capitalism is the better way to behave as if its the truth

just like drinking and eating is 'the truth'

but capitalism isnt real, only people acting as if it is

and yeah, yourd be pretty stupid to ignore empirical evidence

but you cant empirically prove a concept or an idea

And stupid to ignore rationalism entirely.

Still can’t prove a negative🤷‍♂️

always the atheists problem is they see noahs arc and think its not true and therefore should be disregarded, instead of looking at it like a helpful story

@Scale_e The lack thereof is why I'm 100% certain

We were 100% certain the earth was flat.

@Scale_e Cool, don't care.

fiction shouldnt exist at all, and no one should imitate fiction, if we're just going to say that if it isnt physical it should be ignored

When I have enough evidence I'll believe otherwise.

yet we imitate fiction all the time and we love stories that are entirely fictional

I forget whom it was Hitchens was quoting, but he gave his own take on an older concept that includes rationalism and empiricism. Basically, claims require evidence. Fantastic claims require fantastic evidence. Mediocre claims require only mediocre evidence.

One can believe in dogs on little evidence. It's not quite faith.

One can believe in gods, but it takes a lot of evidence. That evidence is lacking, and faith is how folks make up the deficit.

Are you 100% reality exists behind you?
Why? You don’t have eyes in the back of your head to observe it.

except there is evidence