Message from @Cryosite
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laws arent real
ideas arent real
*sigh*
Autism
only how people behave knowing they are ideas
and so we act like theyre real things
unless you want to point to a book and say 'see, laws are real'
But noone cares about that
i cant touch the laws
like a tree
Literally noone
Anyway. Ultimately the conversation goes back and forth a few times like this.
Empiricism and rationalism both have good points. I lean well into empiricism. Most theists go pretty hard into rationalism, if they're at all intelligent.
The worry is the people that DO think it's literal and why.
its not either or
Both have things to offer to good conversation, but the conflicts between them generate impasse at times.
empirically speaking, capitalism is the better way to behave as if its the truth
just like drinking and eating is 'the truth'
but capitalism isnt real, only people acting as if it is
and yeah, yourd be pretty stupid to ignore empirical evidence
but you cant empirically prove a concept or an idea
Still can’t prove a negative🤷♂️
always the atheists problem is they see noahs arc and think its not true and therefore should be disregarded, instead of looking at it like a helpful story
@Scale_e The lack thereof is why I'm 100% certain
We were 100% certain the earth was flat.
@Scale_e Cool, don't care.
fiction shouldnt exist at all, and no one should imitate fiction, if we're just going to say that if it isnt physical it should be ignored
When I have enough evidence I'll believe otherwise.
yet we imitate fiction all the time and we love stories that are entirely fictional
I forget whom it was Hitchens was quoting, but he gave his own take on an older concept that includes rationalism and empiricism. Basically, claims require evidence. Fantastic claims require fantastic evidence. Mediocre claims require only mediocre evidence.
One can believe in dogs on little evidence. It's not quite faith.
One can believe in gods, but it takes a lot of evidence. That evidence is lacking, and faith is how folks make up the deficit.
Are you 100% reality exists behind you?
Why? You don’t have eyes in the back of your head to observe it.
except there is evidence
not in the traditional sense
murder is wrong
people need to make sacrifices
capitalism is the best way to operate in the world as we know
and capitalism is something of a christian concept
whereas, if you act as if murder and stealing is good, show me that culture now
clearly, behaving in some ways, and believing one idea is better than another, yields different results
so is capitalism more real than communism?
capitalism is more aligned with human reality as far as we're concerned