take a look here one second while i find the passage https://krishna.org/the-homosexual-appetite-of-a-man-for-another-man-is-demoniac/

Because coming closer to God requires following Him, grace theology utterly destroys the ability of people to ever get out of heresy

mind you, I'm not a "hare krishna" member or anything like that.

hare krishna to me translates to something like "hail Christ" in Christianity terms

"The Supreme Divine Personality said: O scion of Bharat, these are the saintly virtues of those endowed with a divine nature—fearlessness, purity of mind, steadfastness in spiritual knowledge, charity, control of the senses, performance of sacrifice, study of the sacred books, austerity, and straightforwardness; non-violence, truthfulness, absence of anger, renunciation, peacefulness, restraint from fault-finding, compassion toward all living beings, absence of covetousness, gentleness, modesty, and lack of fickleness; vigor, forgiveness, fortitude, cleanliness, bearing enmity toward none, and absence of vanity. "

and the Demonic nature:

"O Parth, the qualities of those who possess a demoniac nature are hypocrisy, arrogance, conceit, anger, harshness, and ignorance.The divine qualities lead to liberation, while the demoniac qualities are the cause for a continuing destiny of bondage. Grieve not, O Arjun, as you were born with saintly virtues. There are two kinds of beings in this world—those endowed with a divine nature and those possessing a demoniac nature. I have described the divine qualities in detail, O Arjun. Now hear from me about the demoniac nature. Those possessing a demoniac nature do not comprehend what actions are proper and what are improper. Hence, they possess neither purity, nor good conduct, nor even truthfulness. They say, “The world is without absolute truth, without any basis (for moral order), and without a God (who has created or is controlling it). It is created from the combination of the two sexes, and has no purpose other than sexual gratification.Holding fast to such views, these misdirected souls, with small intellect and cruel actions, arise as enemies of the world threatening its destruction.Harboring insatiable lust, full of hypocrisy, pride and arrogance, the demoniac cling to their false tenets. Thus illusioned, they are attracted to the impermanent and work with impure resolve. They are obsessed with endless anxieties that end only with death. Still, they maintain with complete assurance that gratification of desires and accumulation of wealth is the highest purpose of life. " https://www.holy-bhagavad-gita.org/chapter/16

this comes from times contemporary with the life of Jesus or perhaps 500 years before

It's a good summation. Particularly, standing against vanity (arrogance) and anger, which are really one and the same, i.e. being humble.

That's why Jesse's message is so powerful, because this is the most important character attribute to conquer

Jesse says it's a battle between good and evil, and it's right in line with these dare i say self evident truths.

If one has self, attachment, he can't correct any of the other flawed character attributes, because he can't accept feedback without becoming defensive

Without attachment to ego, there is nothing to defend

Krishna killed demons and kicked atheist butt. He said the atheists must be defeated due to unwanted progeny, and this was BC times

Atheists are by nature selfish, so they don't see the use for children, the problem solves itself

Their children are their spiritual children, the people who treat them as intellectual authorities

well without morals they will have a lot of unwanted kids.

i agree. i was mainly thinking of the erm... heathens

They just pull out and use contraception/abortion

i guess i meant 2500 years ago

but pulling out and all that stuff doesn't solve the problem of losing the respect of the woman

i mean today

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you do mean pulled pork sammiches right?

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there went my pignity

That was sad.

I definitely have no bidness discussing doctrine, i don't even hardly know what it means!

No one here has ever read the bible?

Sar is your man.

Ahh Sar has

I have read parts of the Bible, never completed it though

I know that Hake guy is busy but it would be cool to talk to him in VC sometime.

Yea @Hake come in VC more often

lol

I want to ask everyone a question answer if you want: What is the gospel of Jesus Christ?

For me, the Bible has always seemed a bit choppy and dense. And reading it is hard because it sounds like it was written by Yoda riding on a galloping camel.

is the answer "I am the way, and the truth and the life"?

Sounds fun but: What is the gospel of Jesus Christ?

The gospel of Jesus Christ would be the written testimony of Matthew Mark Luke and John ?

Yea its what they write about

Or is it a particular sermon?