Message from @друг
Discord ID: 316791842618474496
Where can we find proof that he was tortured? We have to realize his claims of being tortured for information
and if that is true, those claims cannot be trusted
because plenty of people have confessed to witchcraft under torture
I've only seen allegations of torture, but no proof
you must choose to exploit yourself to fulfill your choice
but we don't know if he was tortured
it's impossible to condense further
and people who confess to witchcraft, we too cannot give evidence of specific people being tortured
@OF-8 How can a self-exploiting pursuit leads to self-realisation? It is a contradiction.
@Sorghagtani Beki source it for me
we just know that torture was used to garner confessions out of many people who confessed to witchcraft
It's not the same @Sorghagtani Beki
I havent even seen where Yezhov himself claims he was tortured
if poorly directed, its horrible
Jansen and Petrov, Stalin's Loyal Executioner, p. 187-188.
Witchcraft was a common boogeyman in that era
And there's thousands of examples you can use
Even parts of the culture or writings that explain how they were tortured in detail
We also have evidence of soviet torture methods
if one is constantly awake and aware of the exploitation of the self, one develops a keen multi-dimensional view of their own value
We're talking about an specific person here
this allows the worker to realize that HE is the means of production
or rather
im in control here
sure, a specific person who confessed witchcraft can claim later they did it under torture
no proof for them in particular
that's not what I'm talking about
@Sorghagtani Beki let me take a look really quicky
fuck
it's not on google preview
kek
@OF-8
>keen multi-dimensional view
Sounds like schizophrenia. How does one be simultaneously exploited and self-realised?
what exactly did ezhov say if you know
by choosing, with forethought, the conditions and duration of exploitation
the realization of self is the realization that life is WORK
he said on the basis of accusations of terrorism, espionage, and conspiracy, that he preferred death to telling lies
and that previous confessions were obtained under torture
not exploitation, but work, setting a goal and hitting it
do this with vision to a larger goal
Well that source is the only one I've ever seen with Ezhov himself claiming he was tortured