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I havent even seen where Yezhov himself claims he was tortured
if poorly directed, its horrible
Jansen and Petrov, Stalin's Loyal Executioner, p. 187-188.
Witchcraft was a common boogeyman in that era
And there's thousands of examples you can use
Even parts of the culture or writings that explain how they were tortured in detail
We also have evidence of soviet torture methods
if one is constantly awake and aware of the exploitation of the self, one develops a keen multi-dimensional view of their own value
Such as the spanish inquistion's
We're talking about an specific person here
this allows the worker to realize that HE is the means of production
or rather
im in control here
sure, a specific person who confessed witchcraft can claim later they did it under torture
no proof for them in particular
that's not what I'm talking about
@Sorghagtani Beki let me take a look really quicky
fuck
it's not on google preview
kek
@OF-8
>keen multi-dimensional view
Sounds like schizophrenia. How does one be simultaneously exploited and self-realised?
what exactly did ezhov say if you know
by choosing, with forethought, the conditions and duration of exploitation
the realization of self is the realization that life is WORK
he said on the basis of accusations of terrorism, espionage, and conspiracy, that he preferred death to telling lies
and that previous confessions were obtained under torture
not exploitation, but work, setting a goal and hitting it
do this with vision to a larger goal
Well that source is the only one I've ever seen with Ezhov himself claiming he was tortured
@OF-8 "I choose to be self-contradictory. Therefore the inconsistency doesn't exist. This is logical to me."
Basically you self-flatter yourself to justify your own irrationality.
ok
and since it's pretty obvious he lied about being surrounded by enemies of the people and that the 14,000 (more like 40,000) he executed were such enemies, then even if he does claim he was tortured, why should he be believed?
i dont get how you see that but again, we have deadlocks
i would imagine it to be something around the concept of bodily autonomy
as most deadlocks are
There is one other source cited by Wikipedia but when translated says absolutely nothing about torture despite it being referenced for that, so I'm doubtful of it
but also, this inconsistency cannot exist, as the system i have works, provably works.
He confessed at the trial that the executing of those 14,000 people was true
and justified it through the idea that they were enemies of the people
however, at that same trial he denied espionage, terrorism, and conspiracy
and claimed those confessions were obtained through torture