you must choose to exploit yourself to fulfill your choice

but we don't know if he was tortured

it's impossible to condense further

and people who confess to witchcraft, we too cannot give evidence of specific people being tortured

@OF-8 How can a self-exploiting pursuit leads to self-realisation? It is a contradiction.

@Sorghagtani Beki source it for me

we just know that torture was used to garner confessions out of many people who confessed to witchcraft

It's not the same @Sorghagtani Beki

I havent even seen where Yezhov himself claims he was tortured

if poorly directed, its horrible

Jansen and Petrov, Stalin's Loyal Executioner, p. 187-188.

Witchcraft was a common boogeyman in that era

And there's thousands of examples you can use

Even parts of the culture or writings that explain how they were tortured in detail

We also have evidence of soviet torture methods

if one is constantly awake and aware of the exploitation of the self, one develops a keen multi-dimensional view of their own value

Such as the spanish inquistion's

We're talking about an specific person here

this allows the worker to realize that HE is the means of production

or rather

im in control here

sure, a specific person who confessed witchcraft can claim later they did it under torture

no proof for them in particular

that's not what I'm talking about

@Sorghagtani Beki let me take a look really quicky

fuck

it's not on google preview

kek

@OF-8
>keen multi-dimensional view
Sounds like schizophrenia. How does one be simultaneously exploited and self-realised?

what exactly did ezhov say if you know

by choosing, with forethought, the conditions and duration of exploitation

the realization of self is the realization that life is WORK

he said on the basis of accusations of terrorism, espionage, and conspiracy, that he preferred death to telling lies

and that previous confessions were obtained under torture

not exploitation, but work, setting a goal and hitting it

do this with vision to a larger goal

Well that source is the only one I've ever seen with Ezhov himself claiming he was tortured

@OF-8 "I choose to be self-contradictory. Therefore the inconsistency doesn't exist. This is logical to me."
Basically you self-flatter yourself to justify your own irrationality.

ok

and since it's pretty obvious he lied about being surrounded by enemies of the people and that the 14,000 (more like 40,000) he executed were such enemies, then even if he does claim he was tortured, why should he be believed?

i dont get how you see that but again, we have deadlocks