Message from @OF-8
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Choices are hard?
Yezhov claimed that many of his confessions were obtained under torture
backing the choice with real effort is hard, so yeah
So it's not just a choice.
making the choice with the intent of sticking to it, thats hard
He denied being a spy, conspirator, or terrorist
well its a series of choices
He did say that he killed many people, but justified it that they were enemies of the people
"[There is NO evidence that Ezhov beaten or tortured to get these confessions – only "supposed" by Pavliukov, 527 bot. - GF]"
Yezhov claimed himself that those confessions were given under torture
"When did you become a German spy?
I was recruited in 1930. In Germany, in Königsberg."
"How did you use this NKVD laboratory in your espionage and conspiratorial activities?" asked Rodos, glancing at Kobulov who was sitting beside him.
"ANSWER: I knew that such a laboratory existed and that Iagoda made use of it in his conspiratorial activities."
yes, his confessions of being a spy, according to himself, were confessed through torture
Okay, show me proof that he was tortured, then.
Choice is metaphysical. Only effort leads to realisation. However your conception is based in exploitation.
Where can we find proof that he was tortured? We have to realize his claims of being tortured for information
and if that is true, those claims cannot be trusted
because plenty of people have confessed to witchcraft under torture
I've only seen allegations of torture, but no proof
but we don't know if he was tortured
it's impossible to condense further
and people who confess to witchcraft, we too cannot give evidence of specific people being tortured
@OF-8 How can a self-exploiting pursuit leads to self-realisation? It is a contradiction.
@Sorghagtani Beki source it for me
we just know that torture was used to garner confessions out of many people who confessed to witchcraft
It's not the same @Sorghagtani Beki
I havent even seen where Yezhov himself claims he was tortured
if poorly directed, its horrible
Jansen and Petrov, Stalin's Loyal Executioner, p. 187-188.
Witchcraft was a common boogeyman in that era
And there's thousands of examples you can use
Even parts of the culture or writings that explain how they were tortured in detail
We also have evidence of soviet torture methods
if one is constantly awake and aware of the exploitation of the self, one develops a keen multi-dimensional view of their own value
Such as the spanish inquistion's
We're talking about an specific person here
this allows the worker to realize that HE is the means of production
or rather
im in control here