Message from @Sorghagtani Beki

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2017-05-24 04:11:55 UTC  

@OF-8 Self realisation is not simply a choice, dingus.

2017-05-24 04:12:07 UTC  

if you say so, i dun did it

2017-05-24 04:12:29 UTC  

it was hard

2017-05-24 04:12:31 UTC  

n=1

2017-05-24 04:12:43 UTC  

Choices are hard?

2017-05-24 04:12:46 UTC  

Yezhov claimed that many of his confessions were obtained under torture

2017-05-24 04:12:56 UTC  

backing the choice with real effort is hard, so yeah

2017-05-24 04:13:05 UTC  

So it's not just a choice.

2017-05-24 04:13:07 UTC  

making the choice with the intent of sticking to it, thats hard

2017-05-24 04:13:13 UTC  

He denied being a spy, conspirator, or terrorist

2017-05-24 04:13:25 UTC  

well its a series of choices

2017-05-24 04:13:36 UTC  

He did say that he killed many people, but justified it that they were enemies of the people

2017-05-24 04:13:45 UTC  

"[There is NO evidence that Ezhov beaten or tortured to get these confessions – only "supposed" by Pavliukov, 527 bot. - GF]"

2017-05-24 04:14:07 UTC  

Yezhov claimed himself that those confessions were given under torture

2017-05-24 04:14:10 UTC  

"When did you become a German spy?

I was recruited in 1930. In Germany, in Königsberg."

2017-05-24 04:14:30 UTC  

"How did you use this NKVD laboratory in your espionage and conspiratorial activities?" asked Rodos, glancing at Kobulov who was sitting beside him.

"ANSWER: I knew that such a laboratory existed and that Iagoda made use of it in his conspiratorial activities."

2017-05-24 04:14:35 UTC  

yes, his confessions of being a spy, according to himself, were confessed through torture

2017-05-24 04:14:56 UTC  

Okay, show me proof that he was tortured, then.

2017-05-24 04:14:58 UTC  

Choice is metaphysical. Only effort leads to realisation. However your conception is based in exploitation.

2017-05-24 04:15:17 UTC  

Where can we find proof that he was tortured? We have to realize his claims of being tortured for information

2017-05-24 04:15:36 UTC  

and if that is true, those claims cannot be trusted

2017-05-24 04:15:45 UTC  

because plenty of people have confessed to witchcraft under torture

2017-05-24 04:15:54 UTC  

I've only seen allegations of torture, but no proof

2017-05-24 04:15:54 UTC  

you must choose to exploit yourself to fulfill your choice

2017-05-24 04:15:59 UTC  

but we don't know if he was tortured

2017-05-24 04:16:02 UTC  

it's impossible to condense further

2017-05-24 04:16:16 UTC  

and people who confess to witchcraft, we too cannot give evidence of specific people being tortured

2017-05-24 04:16:26 UTC  

@OF-8 How can a self-exploiting pursuit leads to self-realisation? It is a contradiction.

2017-05-24 04:16:32 UTC  

@Sorghagtani Beki source it for me

2017-05-24 04:16:38 UTC  

we just know that torture was used to garner confessions out of many people who confessed to witchcraft

2017-05-24 04:16:39 UTC  

It's not the same @Sorghagtani Beki

2017-05-24 04:16:40 UTC  

I havent even seen where Yezhov himself claims he was tortured

2017-05-24 04:16:41 UTC  

if poorly directed, its horrible

2017-05-24 04:16:53 UTC  

Jansen and Petrov, Stalin's Loyal Executioner, p. 187-188.

2017-05-24 04:17:01 UTC  

Witchcraft was a common boogeyman in that era

2017-05-24 04:17:14 UTC  

And there's thousands of examples you can use

2017-05-24 04:17:32 UTC  

Even parts of the culture or writings that explain how they were tortured in detail

2017-05-24 04:17:34 UTC  

We also have evidence of soviet torture methods

2017-05-24 04:17:34 UTC  

if one is constantly awake and aware of the exploitation of the self, one develops a keen multi-dimensional view of their own value

2017-05-24 04:17:40 UTC  

Such as the spanish inquistion's

2017-05-24 04:17:46 UTC  

We're talking about an specific person here