Interesting

Oligarhs

If they really had class consciousness they would see putin or trump are the oligarchs

thus see them as dickheads

But they don't.

Without organization they won't.

Without the Party.

So then it seems dialectics has one it's job.

Class consciousness and organization must both happen

One doesn't directly lead to the other

or that the outcome would benefit the people

Organization directly lead to the class consciousness.

Not nessecarily

A nazi org for instance leads to assholes fighting everyone else

An uneducated org leads to it being hijacked

@Dirty Red the communist organization.

A communist organization specifically, needs some form of class consciousness to be able to form in the first place

@Dirty Red Individual consciousness is not class consciousnesses.

Individual consciousness

What is meant by this?

@Dirty Red I'm petite-burger.

@Dirty Red I don't belong to the class.

@Dirty Red How can i develop class consciousness?

i mean am referring to class consciousnesses as in you are aware of the whole class system and it's bullshittery

Not that you think as a class

@Dirty Red I don't belong to the class.

But I would like to develop a class.

are you aware and can you see the bullshit caused by a class sytem?

the oppression directly linked to it?

@Dirty Red yes

If yes, then you are class consciousnesses

@Dirty Red nope

Why so?

It is not a Marxist definition

Ah

I use a different definition then

Apologies

I go off this definition: "awareness of one's place in a system of social class, especially (in Marxist terms) as it relates to the class struggle"

Class consciousness is the maturity and self-reliance, sovereignty of the class of Proletariat.

It is also an active force of organization.

Interesting