notice that managers are also employees

owners literally don't do shit

I worked in a factory that was owned by a guy who started his business selling fruit out the back of his truck

and now he produces all the fruit bars and snacks in the country

he built that

another boss of mine ran a rental cabin business and he built every one of the cabins himself

and hes a millionaire now

so if ownership were to be assigned to someone else, would that be unfair

because then he wouldn't be compensated for all that work

if someone other than him were the owner, that would be unfair, huh?

thats what buyouts and mergers are, compensation

they should make the owner be whoever did the most work to make the company, huh

they dont seize their means of production, they pay them what their business is worth, which is usually int he tens of millions

so some unskilled labourer who walks in off the street should just get the company?

no whoever does the work to make the company

so the person who owns the company?

not who technically owns the resources needed

its like you're trying to fix something that isnt broken

i'm explaining to you in your own terms but you still don't understand

you think he deserves the company because he worked hard

what if someone else technically owned the food truck at first

no he owns it because it was his to begin with

then should all that hard work mean he just gets a minimal payment and no ownership

it's the same work

no because that would be stealing

which is what you're proposing

it's just a different set of rules

it's not "stealing" because it's not violating the rules

it's a different set of rules

where what you said should happen happens

people who work hard building businesses, get to share in the profit of those businsesses

i'm saying that should be the rule

generally it's now the exception

so you're saying if someone works at a company for a long time, and works hard, they should get a proportional share of the profits?

yeh, the same thing you just said

right, thats what I thought you believed

you said how awesome it was that someone's work resulted in them having control and sharing in profit

now let me explain to you why thats bullshit

but that's not how it actually works in this society-- actually owners can invest in stock and put in no work at all

i want society to work the way you falsely implied it does, that's all

when you agree to work for someone, you're forgoing a whole host of risks and challenges such as market stability and supply and demand of goods in exchange for an agreed upon and steady wage, you get paid what you're worth whether you're some bum off the street or a highly skilled intern or technician