you're not the leading edge of anything

you're just shit

we're having a discourse right now

which I've been leading from the start

checkmate

Can't we all just get along?

And seize the means of production

explain why seizing the means of production is either necessary or effective

because otherwise capital brings more capital into itself, a runaway feedback effect that necessarily destroys society (including itself)

but are you saying you want unskilled laborers to take all the profits from a business that they put no investment into

an organization that was built from the ground up by its owner(s)

because if thats the case then entrepeurs wouldnt exist

businesses aren't especially built by their owners, that's the point

they're built by their employees

thats not true

notice that managers are also employees

owners literally don't do shit

I worked in a factory that was owned by a guy who started his business selling fruit out the back of his truck

and now he produces all the fruit bars and snacks in the country

he built that

another boss of mine ran a rental cabin business and he built every one of the cabins himself

and hes a millionaire now

so if ownership were to be assigned to someone else, would that be unfair

because then he wouldn't be compensated for all that work

if someone other than him were the owner, that would be unfair, huh?

thats what buyouts and mergers are, compensation

they should make the owner be whoever did the most work to make the company, huh

they dont seize their means of production, they pay them what their business is worth, which is usually int he tens of millions

so some unskilled labourer who walks in off the street should just get the company?

no whoever does the work to make the company

so the person who owns the company?

not who technically owns the resources needed

its like you're trying to fix something that isnt broken

i'm explaining to you in your own terms but you still don't understand

you think he deserves the company because he worked hard

what if someone else technically owned the food truck at first

no he owns it because it was his to begin with

then should all that hard work mean he just gets a minimal payment and no ownership

it's the same work

no because that would be stealing

which is what you're proposing