Message from @mungojelly

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2017-07-01 11:40:20 UTC  

and hes a millionaire now

2017-07-01 11:40:35 UTC  

so if ownership were to be assigned to someone else, would that be unfair

2017-07-01 11:40:43 UTC  

because then he wouldn't be compensated for all that work

2017-07-01 11:40:55 UTC  

if someone other than him were the owner, that would be unfair, huh?

2017-07-01 11:40:59 UTC  

thats what buyouts and mergers are, compensation

2017-07-01 11:41:08 UTC  

they should make the owner be whoever did the most work to make the company, huh

2017-07-01 11:41:21 UTC  

they dont seize their means of production, they pay them what their business is worth, which is usually int he tens of millions

2017-07-01 11:41:45 UTC  

so some unskilled labourer who walks in off the street should just get the company?

2017-07-01 11:42:14 UTC  

no whoever does the work to make the company

2017-07-01 11:42:36 UTC  

so the person who owns the company?

2017-07-01 11:42:38 UTC  

not who technically owns the resources needed

2017-07-01 11:42:44 UTC  

its like you're trying to fix something that isnt broken

2017-07-01 11:43:01 UTC  

i'm explaining to you in your own terms but you still don't understand

2017-07-01 11:43:10 UTC  

you think he deserves the company because he worked hard

2017-07-01 11:43:17 UTC  

what if someone else technically owned the food truck at first

2017-07-01 11:43:22 UTC  

no he owns it because it was his to begin with

2017-07-01 11:43:27 UTC  

then should all that hard work mean he just gets a minimal payment and no ownership

2017-07-01 11:43:29 UTC  

it's the same work

2017-07-01 11:43:39 UTC  

no because that would be stealing

2017-07-01 11:43:46 UTC  

which is what you're proposing

2017-07-01 11:43:48 UTC  

it's just a different set of rules

2017-07-01 11:43:56 UTC  

it's not "stealing" because it's not violating the rules

2017-07-01 11:43:59 UTC  

it's a different set of rules

2017-07-01 11:44:09 UTC  

where what you said should happen happens

2017-07-01 11:44:20 UTC  

people who work hard building businesses, get to share in the profit of those businsesses

2017-07-01 11:44:24 UTC  

i'm saying that should be the rule

2017-07-01 11:44:29 UTC  

generally it's now the exception

2017-07-01 11:45:25 UTC  

so you're saying if someone works at a company for a long time, and works hard, they should get a proportional share of the profits?

2017-07-01 11:45:51 UTC  

yeh, the same thing you just said

2017-07-01 11:46:05 UTC  

right, thats what I thought you believed

2017-07-01 11:46:10 UTC  

you said how awesome it was that someone's work resulted in them having control and sharing in profit

2017-07-01 11:46:11 UTC  

now let me explain to you why thats bullshit

2017-07-01 11:46:35 UTC  

but that's not how it actually works in this society-- actually owners can invest in stock and put in no work at all

2017-07-01 11:46:44 UTC  

i want society to work the way you falsely implied it does, that's all

2017-07-01 11:47:11 UTC  

when you agree to work for someone, you're forgoing a whole host of risks and challenges such as market stability and supply and demand of goods in exchange for an agreed upon and steady wage, you get paid what you're worth whether you're some bum off the street or a highly skilled intern or technician

2017-07-01 11:47:30 UTC  

the guy who owns the company generally built that company from the ground up or was there for most of its growth

2017-07-01 11:47:31 UTC  

hm? are you explaining to me how employment works? i know

2017-07-01 11:47:38 UTC  

yes so what are you not understanding

2017-07-01 11:47:46 UTC  

no, the guy who owns the company is generally a multinational, what planet do you live on

2017-07-01 11:47:58 UTC  

my boss was not a multinational

2017-07-01 11:48:06 UTC  

that's not the general rule