@shekelsworth I didn’t understand that all that well

Sounds like the lawyers got shut down

Well he was making a point about how they failed to make change through their actions.

They shoah'd themselves

I can already tell this book is going to be fantastic for what we're dealing with today. I'm not even through the prologue, and already the author has addressed the importance of optics and distancing ourselves from "self stereotype people", aka the alt right and it's LARPers. "

Idk his beliefs are founded on equality, justice, etc and so it seems his layout for revolution might not be achievable without this.

Democracy is the means and not necessarily the ends, is something he eventually says.

And the goal for revolution should be the quality for all. So I don't know if he believes revolutions could be achieved for the your own group.

He's a socialist and that's what he sees as the ideal world. He has good points like the separation of ideology and dogma.

I don't know though I could be reading this very incorrectly.

@shekelsworth he's a far leftist and probably a commie. When I bought this book, books that were "frequently bought" with it was the Communist Manifesto. I shit you not.

We need to use the methods that Marxists have used to become successful. That's why this book is a great read for any activist honestly.

Yeah I guess I just need to get more the methodology.

He's laying out his commie beliefs right now

Haha oh boy.

@shekelsworth *insert Soviet anthem"

Yeah, we have to ignore his personal beliefs and opinions and learn from his methods.

I guess we could stop reading once he's gets to "argue(ing) that the failure to use power for more equitable distribution of the means of life for all people signals the end of the revolution in the start of the counter-revolution." 😂😂😂

Hahaha yes just glance over that section.

I wrote up a draft of an article I was going to submit for the Identitarian, it's about 1500 words. Anyone willing to take a look at it and tell me what they think?

I finished the book in my flight. It has some good stuff, but it's very obvious that he is writing this book for communists and leftists.

@JC17-OR you are exactly correct. The book came out quite sometime ago - when communism and Marxism was basically forbidden to discuss. His methods worked. Now, communism is an acceptable ideology taught in our universities. We must use the methods our opposition used to become successful.

Ignore his political opinions and take from him his political methods.

I'll be discussing in detail more about this Monday during our voice discussion.

@CarletonJ

Definitely, the big takeaways from this book that I've seen this far is the development of communication, how our phrases affect our optics, and how we and our enemies perceive each other's ethics and influence.

Looking forward to the Monday discussion.

I'll likely circle back and re-read some stuff.

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thanks!

I still haven't gotten my book in the mail yet,got 1 that i ordered same day that came today but not the Rules for Radicals book yet.

@celticflame When do you expect it? I could overnight you a copy tomorrow.

I hope it gets here tomorrow since i ordered it same day,should be here soon. Let me see if i can track it,get back to you

@celticflame sure thing!

It says its in Las Vegas, NV now,so maybe it will make SF or Sacramento tomorrow, i hope,will see

That was at 8am this morning and looks like a day or so btwn states,was coming from CT,used thriftbooks-they have been decent just takes a lil longer sometimes, not amazon & is cheaper

@FACINEMA amen

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