I'm not following you at all

From the beginning, I never said anything about working for free.

I want money

Give me money

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5KU34DrrPI

Maybe i just really didn't understand your comment

I think you only read "We don't need or want to be rewarded" and didn't read the rest of it and completely misunderstood what I said

try looking at the context

I red all of it

I was just saying that people value more what they recieve from the people in their immediate lives as opposed to "society" which is held as a much more distant concept in most people's minds.

I thought you were responding to Agenten

Yeah, his question of getting people to see the value of hard work. Basically it's taught through the reactions people in our lives have to our hard work.

If we work hard and our parents/family/friends don't care, we won't work hard. If they show gratitude and we get some sort of reward that we enjoy, we'll generally keep it up.

You have changed your name to Muhammad Muhammad

this can only end well

He asked "how you get people to value hard work without getting getting rewarded by society". The way people get rewarded by society is with money. That's why I responded to you with "fuck that". Because I don't see value in hard work if I don't get payed for it

That's why you shouldn't only reward people with money.

People need to know there are other rewards for hard work.

Such as getting to be around other hard working people.

Who are generally well put together and valuable people.

You can't raise a child just on money. It can certainly be useful but it has an end as a teaching tool.

Hard work is only valuable either because you genuinely love what you do, or if you get payed for it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRxZy4rQITE

Working hard wont automatically put you with hardwarking people

Absolutely not. Hard work is valuable because it can make the world a better place in so many ways.

Its more likely to be somewhere where youre just carrying a bunch of slobs

You don't choose to be gay

I mean on a personal level

That was just an example, obviously there are no guarantees.

The fact it helps society is why you get paid

But you don't do it to help society, you do it to get paid

There are people out there who neither get paid enough nor enjoy what they do, but do it anyway.

Even when they don't really have to.

I find it very strange that you think money is the only way to get people to do things.

I didn't say "enjoy", I said love. If they do it despite not getting paid, than they do it because they love thier work

You've got to be kidding.

You're mincing words like a wordchef.

That's what I meant

Originally

Anyway, if you don't think there is any way to teach hard work than with money, I don't know what to tell you.

IMO there's plenty more to it than that.