Message from @Thomas the Sowell Train [USA]
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i mean the guys writing it lol
Fuck man I don't know this is crazy
Okay i have a real question:
How do you help people to see the value of hard work, when its likely it wont be rewarded in society, IE they will just work hard at shitjob and never make good money
give people what they want
Read How to Win Friends and Influence People
Or at least read the chapter titles
And also encourage others to do the same
if you are someone who gives people what they want when they give you what you want, those people will want to give more to you and then it becomes a virtuous cycle
it's easier said than done for a lot of folks, as far as getting started, but it's π
We don't need or want to be rewarded "by society" really. What we care about is the people in our lives and if they are appreciating us for what we have to offer, we'll almost always keep it up, and in a lot of cases try to be even better.
So learn gratitude and appreciation, and share it with others. You know, Random Acts of Kindness type of thing.
or maybe they don't give a shit whether you "appreciate" them or any of that stuffy crap, they just want to be able to leave work at work and have some beers at the end of the day, well if they can do that, they'll work, but they might need to be reminded they can lose that if they don't work
Fuck that
I'm not working for free
who said anything about working for free?
"if you are someone who gives people what they want when they give you what you want"
But that's the whole point of money and capitalism, your money represnt what you gave, and when you pay with that, you get somthing back
"who said anything about working for free?" -
"We don't need or want to be rewarded"
but money isn't the only thing people want
Money is just an idea, it represent what you want
I'm not following you at all
I want money
Give me money
Maybe i just really didn't understand your comment
I think you only read "We don't need or want to be rewarded" and didn't read the rest of it and completely misunderstood what I said
try looking at the context
I red all of it
I was just saying that people value more what they recieve from the people in their immediate lives as opposed to "society" which is held as a much more distant concept in most people's minds.
I thought you were responding to Agenten
Yeah, his question of getting people to see the value of hard work. Basically it's taught through the reactions people in our lives have to our hard work.
If we work hard and our parents/family/friends don't care, we won't work hard. If they show gratitude and we get some sort of reward that we enjoy, we'll generally keep it up.
You have changed your name to Muhammad Muhammad
this can only end well
He asked "how you get people to value hard work without getting getting rewarded by society". The way people get rewarded by society is with money. That's why I responded to you with "fuck that". Because I don't see value in hard work if I don't get payed for it
That's why you shouldn't only reward people with money.
People need to know there are other rewards for hard work.
Such as getting to be around other hard working people.
Who are generally well put together and valuable people.
You can't raise a child just on money. It can certainly be useful but it has an end as a teaching tool.
Hard work is only valuable either because you genuinely love what you do, or if you get payed for it