Message from @Baraban
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who said anything about working for free?
"if you are someone who gives people what they want when they give you what you want"
But that's the whole point of money and capitalism, your money represnt what you gave, and when you pay with that, you get somthing back
"who said anything about working for free?" -
"We don't need or want to be rewarded"
but money isn't the only thing people want
Money is just an idea, it represent what you want
I'm not following you at all
From the beginning, I never said anything about working for free.
I want money
Give me money
Maybe i just really didn't understand your comment
I think you only read "We don't need or want to be rewarded" and didn't read the rest of it and completely misunderstood what I said
try looking at the context
I red all of it
I was just saying that people value more what they recieve from the people in their immediate lives as opposed to "society" which is held as a much more distant concept in most people's minds.
I thought you were responding to Agenten
Yeah, his question of getting people to see the value of hard work. Basically it's taught through the reactions people in our lives have to our hard work.
If we work hard and our parents/family/friends don't care, we won't work hard. If they show gratitude and we get some sort of reward that we enjoy, we'll generally keep it up.
You have changed your name to Muhammad Muhammad
this can only end well
He asked "how you get people to value hard work without getting getting rewarded by society". The way people get rewarded by society is with money. That's why I responded to you with "fuck that". Because I don't see value in hard work if I don't get payed for it
That's why you shouldn't only reward people with money.
People need to know there are other rewards for hard work.
Such as getting to be around other hard working people.
Who are generally well put together and valuable people.
You can't raise a child just on money. It can certainly be useful but it has an end as a teaching tool.
Hard work is only valuable either because you genuinely love what you do, or if you get payed for it
Working hard wont automatically put you with hardwarking people
Absolutely not. Hard work is valuable because it can make the world a better place in so many ways.
Its more likely to be somewhere where youre just carrying a bunch of slobs
You don't choose to be gay
I mean on a personal level
That was just an example, obviously there are no guarantees.
The fact it helps society is why you get paid
But you don't do it to help society, you do it to get paid
There are people out there who neither get paid enough nor enjoy what they do, but do it anyway.
Even when they don't really have to.
I find it very strange that you think money is the only way to get people to do things.
I didn't say "enjoy", I said love. If they do it despite not getting paid, than they do it because they love thier work
You've got to be kidding.