I thought you were responding to Agenten

Yeah, his question of getting people to see the value of hard work. Basically it's taught through the reactions people in our lives have to our hard work.

If we work hard and our parents/family/friends don't care, we won't work hard. If they show gratitude and we get some sort of reward that we enjoy, we'll generally keep it up.

You have changed your name to Muhammad Muhammad

this can only end well

He asked "how you get people to value hard work without getting getting rewarded by society". The way people get rewarded by society is with money. That's why I responded to you with "fuck that". Because I don't see value in hard work if I don't get payed for it

That's why you shouldn't only reward people with money.

People need to know there are other rewards for hard work.

Such as getting to be around other hard working people.

Who are generally well put together and valuable people.

You can't raise a child just on money. It can certainly be useful but it has an end as a teaching tool.

Hard work is only valuable either because you genuinely love what you do, or if you get payed for it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRxZy4rQITE

Working hard wont automatically put you with hardwarking people

Absolutely not. Hard work is valuable because it can make the world a better place in so many ways.

Its more likely to be somewhere where youre just carrying a bunch of slobs

You don't choose to be gay

I mean on a personal level

That was just an example, obviously there are no guarantees.

The fact it helps society is why you get paid

But you don't do it to help society, you do it to get paid

There are people out there who neither get paid enough nor enjoy what they do, but do it anyway.

Even when they don't really have to.

I find it very strange that you think money is the only way to get people to do things.

I didn't say "enjoy", I said love. If they do it despite not getting paid, than they do it because they love thier work

You've got to be kidding.

You're mincing words like a wordchef.

That's what I meant

Originally

Anyway, if you don't think there is any way to teach hard work than with money, I don't know what to tell you.

IMO there's plenty more to it than that.

I don't know why you think there needs to be another reward

I already said, money isn't the only thing people want.

You give somthing to society, and you get something back in return (money)

That hiw it works

That hiw it should work

and that's just one aspect of life

and there's the whole rest of being a person and having wants and needs

the money is the most important factor. its absence poses the entire problem

Again, the other reason you might put effort into something is because you find satisfaction in it (again, doesn't mean you necessarily enjoy it)

As you pointed out Baraban, money just represents value, so all you need to be able to offer is anything that someone values.