Message from @missliterallywho
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I can dump studies on environment and immigration if anyone wants
didn't the Sierra Club used to be anti immigration?
Yes
Or you can just visit a third world country. I rented a home on the coast of Ecuador a few years back. Trash washing up on the beach. No whites to clean it up.
Making money>protecting environment this is true with the white farmers down south
Go on any random Indian Reservation and there's trash everywhere
Is there a number as far as household income where people start to care about the environment?
A lot of waste due to subsidies unfortunately. Soy is dirty to produce, and overproduced because of funding.
Well when environmentalism is framed as some globalist agenda instead of “clean your backyard and your neighborhood” then it won’t be something for lower to middle classes
Globalist environmentalist is a luxury
@Alexander Pechorin I have not thought of it this way before
Well said @Alexander Pechorin
Like dispose of your old car batteries correctly level environmentalism
Clean your ~~room~~ backyard *picture of American open spaces*
J Peterson, get on this
You don’t get near the virtue signaling power from picking up your backyard lol
When we did the LA River cleanup it was nearly all middle class whites volunteering
More Johnny Appleseed, less Solyndra
What other people plants gardens just because they look nice?
@William Russell I couldn't find the answer to your income question but I found something else interesting while I was looking
Whatcha got?
We present a theory of the basis of support for a social movement. Three types of support (citizenship actions, policy support and acceptance, and personal-sphere behaviors that accord with movement principles) are empirically distinct from each other and from committed activism. Drawing on theoretical work on values and norm-activation processes, we propose a value-belief-norm (VBN) theory of movement support. Individuals who accept a movement's basic values, believe that valued objects are threatened, and believe that their actions can help restore those values experience an obligation (personal norm) for pro-movement action that creates a predisposition to provide support; the particular type of support that results is dependent on the individual's capabilities and constraints. Data from a national survey of 420 respondents suggest that the VBN theory, when compared with other prevalent theories, offers the best available account of support for the environmental movement.
>420 respondents
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Seems to be what @missliterallywho and @Alexander Pechorin were getting at right?
TL;DR: Willingness to support a political movement depends on (1) people agree with the basic premises, (2) people feel like that there is a genuine threat, and (3) people believe that they can do something about it
I was thinking start small and grow outwards
@missliterallywho 420 is not a bad sample size as long as it is representative of the general population. Or did you just think it sounds funny because of the number?
Sounds like the impetus behind the identitarian movement
Most people seem to have a prob with 3
Maybe
@Jacob joke implying environmentalists are *green* in more ways than one
oh lmao
I don’t see anything I do making a difference when there’s Delhi and Beijing doing their thing.
Maybe Identitarianism is making the difference like someone suggested
I find that a lot of my friends are a problem with number 2. So often it happens that they'll agree with all my premises, but they're still liberal because they don't feel threatened
Global environmentalism requires very different actions than national environmentalism
I’d never separated the two. I’ve always thought of environmentalism as a global thing