inb4 someone says all of V4 are puppets

@reactionarytree there's nothing wrong with capitalism if you temper it with virtue

if you aren't a literal communist russian sperg, your opinion is invalid @Josh M. -OH *

you cant temper it with virtue

@Virgil It's really dangerous to assume it'll just work out like that. Poland came really close to getting refugees.

we tempered free enterprise with virtue quite well for about 150 years...

the only way to keep capitalism in check is to wield authority over the economy

ok, fairly well

If you do whatever it takes to make a buck of course there will be problems. @reactionarytree personally I'm a capitist.

Gilded Age notwithstanding

@The Eternal Anglo People can hold various economic positions. When somebody's advocating the cultural tenets of communism, call me.

@Jacob Yes and then Civic Platform was voted out of power

Or communism by name

"socialism" means a lot of different things to different people but the definition is that "the people control the means of production" - you can interpret that however you want

I don't support communism. I acknowledge that there was good and bad aspects to the Soviet Union.

in practice, it can be done a variety of ways

The idea that people in the post-Stalin USSR were just starving to death is insane

ironically, some people on the dissident right do the same as the left and act like American history began in 1945/1965. We had free enterprise without being degenerate before then

Understood. Still, history lists the USSR in the and as a failure. Sure, yes, with all that land and populace you will succeed, but only by so much.

Judging the entire thing based on some famine in the 30s is like judging the US by the great depression

ultimately, the market must be reigned in. we should not live in a market society. we should live in a society that has a market

@Jacob They were malnourished still, most of the USSR diet was starches and empty carbs

While Jimmy in America was drinking a shake and having steaks with his blonde GF

@reactionarytree of course. But that's hardly "NazBol", that's just regulated free enterprise

The reason I don't believe the malnourishment thing is because I'd have family members with stunted growth if that was true @The Eternal Anglo

capitalism + economic protectionism is still capitalism

Read Burnham's 'Managerial Revolution' and Lasch's 'Culture of Narcissism' - there's a reason things are the way they are nowadays and its not just "da jooz"

@Jacob Bad diets don't really stunt growth at all my dude

You can gain inches by good eating and exercise but not by much

malnourishment stunts growth

I've read Lasch - good read. Of course it's not just The Jews(tm)

Typo guys

@Alex Kolchak - NY I wouldn't say I'm against free enterprise, but I'm against capitalism as it exists today

@reactionarytree as I said I'm personally economic protectionist

Starving African tribes are still tall, even though they are malnourished

@Jacob certain aspects are certainly out of control

There's a reason the 1965 Immigration Act happened. We were broken before then.

Height is almost 100% genetic

oh wow an economics discussion yeah that's exciting

"capitalism" didn't cause 1965. jewish-irish interests in displacing the anglo ruling class caused 1965

@ThisIsChris My jimmies are rustled by literal Nazbol posting