ehhhhhh

For me, I would not want either homosexuals or...those falling into the *other* category around my family. That's the most important practical delineation from my perspective.

Gays have their own unique subculture built around their deviated sexual practices. I state deviated because they can't continue in their behavior and sustain a civilization

Some are very nice people and I've worked around them. Wouldn't let them near my family however.

we should not hate anyone. to say that all gays are pedophiles and perverts is an insult to our intelligence.. we know better than that. You can hate the lifestyle but we cannot make those generalizations. Some of us might end up with a gay kid one day.. and i can guarantee you i would not hate him/her.

The majority are highly degenerate and destruction. Yet I know homosexuals that aren't terrible people, including some that I respect and have helped out our movement considerably. More than most of the people in this conversation, I would bet. But they do not have any place in or around my family or in our communities of families.

They still however would be sexually deviant and in my opinion their practices shouldn't be encouraged and should be reformed @Grayson

I would probably disavow my son if I saw him with another man tbh

reformed??

I am ...highly skeptical of any kind of "reformed" homosexual.

Homosexuals reform all the time, they live a chaste life or get a woman

The only one that basically claimed to be like that (after it was revealed) was a nut job that had to be removed from our community. This was years ago but the guy caused a lot of problems lol.

We shouldn't be so quick to disavow people who have psychological problems. A lot of them have it because of traumatic experience.

Yikes.

jacob what did you start here??? lol

I would not want such a character around my family.

Nor would I be comfortable with such a person raising children

I wouldn't, for example, want my kids playing and hanging out with kids whose father is a "reformed" homosexual

All behaviors in my opinion are under subjugation to your control. For instance naturally I'm not a "good person" in fact I'm a giant asshole. I've learned to change my behavior. My dad was on the road to being in the hells angels. He learned to change his behavior. Your dick getting hard isn't an untouchable behavior thats beyond contest or control

Let's not forget plenty of gay men have been and are married with kids

@bspon002 agreed

@greg_p - TX dude... you may not even know that a relative in your family is gay... they dont all go around waving a rainbow flag. as i said before i know some football players.. whom you would never ever ever guess they are.. if i introduced you to them you would think "wow that;s a chad solid dude" so you dont always know..

Let's try to keep the conversation a bit more palatable and less vulgar @bspon002. Let's not forget there are women and others in this chat that probably don't want to see this conversation.

@Grayson I am well aware.

@greg_p - TX agreed. I typically wouldn't uses such terms here but it was a rare occasion that I couldn't think of any better way to describe the circumstances

But that doesn't change the fact that when I do know, I don't want such people around my family.

that's reasonable

Anyone out of control of themselves I wouldn't want around my kids. Gays are no different

Gays aren't necessarily "out of control of themselves" unless they are actively trying to stop those behaviors and failing

Gays won't suppress their gayness

I have all sorts of desires. I curb them if they aren't aligned properly. I don't hate the gays. In the simplest terms it's an unproductive sexual behavior that as I said produces a dead end

That's my personal opinion

Very few people would act on gay desires in a society fiercely against them, even if we accepted the questionable suggestion that these desires are inevitable

Obviously there is some room for nuance for ones view on homosexuality, though I think we can all agree it is far from the ideal. Homosexuality and hypersexuality are obvious symptoms of an uprooted and lost society imo.

Freedom of association (not wanting them around your children) is fine and indeed a principle we are striving for in society, from all manner of social ill.. I don't want to force this conversation to end, because I feel that nobody has **really** crossed a line here, but let's be conscious that we aren't being crass.

vasectomy produces a dead end too. are we not going to allow men who have had a vasectomy in?

I mean

You can't really blame gay people for embracing a subculture that gives them a socially acceptable (even glorified) identity

Vasectomies shouldnt be a thing

I think that was Ians polite way of moving the Convo along

It's probably best we don't all dwell on it much further

Nah I'm sure we want to talk about gay boys all night long lol