Message from @james j

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2020-11-28 18:12:47 UTC  

Both hearings require it be published in the paper

2020-11-28 18:13:14 UTC  

I’ll have to watch the rekita video again

2020-11-28 18:13:27 UTC  

And then voted on as a ballot question on the next election.

2020-11-28 18:13:38 UTC  

There are some other tiny stipulations present

2020-11-28 18:13:49 UTC  

I don’t think it’s gets voted on by the people

2020-11-28 18:14:02 UTC  

In any election

2020-11-28 18:14:09 UTC  

From the ruling, *" Specifically, pursuant to Article XI, Section 1, a proposed constitutional amendment must be approved by a majority vote of the members of both the Pennsylvania House of Representatives and Senate in two consecutive legislative sessions, then the proposed amendment must be published for three months ahead of the next general election in two newspapers in each county, and finally it must be submitted to the qualified electors as a ballot question in the next general election and approved by a majority of those voting on the amendment"*

2020-11-28 18:15:11 UTC  

That statute makes it seem that this amendment wouldn't take effect until the 2024 GE as the 2020 GE would have certified the amendment

2020-11-28 18:15:20 UTC  

Right two legislative sessions where the electors vote

2020-11-28 18:16:19 UTC  

Not electors. The State House and Senate. Unless they are the electors

2020-11-28 18:16:43 UTC  

Submitted to qualified electors

2020-11-28 18:17:09 UTC  

The ruling also says that the complaint seems to assert that this is a first step in trying to get to universal mail-in voting, which is a slippery slope argument that seems odd, in this context. If it is unconstitutional, this shouldn't matter.

2020-11-28 18:17:33 UTC  

Did Pennsylvania even have universal mail in voting

2020-11-28 18:17:45 UTC  

I thought you still had to request a ballot

2020-11-28 18:18:07 UTC  

@james j I think qualified electors is lawyer-speak for registered voters.

2020-11-28 18:19:16 UTC  

I’ll have to watch the rekita video again , I don’t think this process requires citizen voters

2020-11-28 18:19:54 UTC  

@james j *"Petitionersallege that mail-in voting in the form implemented through Act 77 is an attempt by the legislature to fundamentally overhaul the Pennsylvania voting system and permit universal, no-excuse, mail-in voting absent any constitutional authority. "*

2020-11-28 18:20:25 UTC  

I'm not sure why that is needed to make their case.

2020-11-28 18:20:45 UTC  

Hm

2020-11-28 18:20:47 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771201221145919499/782310038068264990/Screenshot_20201128-131940.jpg

2020-11-28 18:21:03 UTC  

Either way the Burden can’t fall on voters that voted in good faith

2020-11-28 18:21:43 UTC  

That's why it will be interesting to see how this goes...

2020-11-28 18:22:21 UTC  

@james j That was the fundamental argument from the very beginning. It needs to be tampering in order to jettison the will of the people.

2020-11-28 18:24:01 UTC  

If they did not act to enfranchise voters in the South who were suppressed from voting (in the past), how can they disenfranchise voters today that voted in good faith and would likely have voted in-person if this was not available to them?

2020-11-28 18:24:56 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771201221145919499/782311081162309672/unknown.png

2020-11-28 18:25:00 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771201221145919499/782311098266550282/2010-07-06VoterActionLetter2TGDC.pdf

2020-11-28 18:25:28 UTC  

@TaLoN132 Same point. More words. Still valid.

2020-11-28 18:25:54 UTC  

I haven't had time to look into this to know what it means... On the surface, it would appear that they are asserting that there are some really dumb criminals in NV. 😄

2020-11-28 18:26:09 UTC  

Okay I see so they didn’t put it on the ballot in 2019 so it couldn’t pass @TaLoN132

2020-11-28 18:26:52 UTC  

My high school Health teacher told me that I was impressed by my own verbosity. He may have had a point.

2020-11-28 18:27:15 UTC  

So it does have to be voted on by the general people

2020-11-28 18:27:15 UTC  

Hahaha I love it though. Makes it clear.

2020-11-28 18:28:59 UTC  

Finally a group that respects eachother and has honest discussion...

2020-11-28 18:28:59 UTC  

@andrasol, you just advanced to level 4!

2020-11-28 18:29:28 UTC  

Interesting... seems like a good idea to find ways to make it easier for out Military to vote. Did this go anywhere?

2020-11-28 18:30:00 UTC  

We try... Thank you. New here?

2020-11-28 18:30:23 UTC  

New to the discord. Have been following everything since the blm stuff

2020-11-28 18:30:58 UTC  

I follow this, barnes, viva, pool, ... everyday while moving 20 tons of product at work each day

2020-11-28 18:31:12 UTC  

And do a dutch weekly update in vlog about the US

2020-11-28 18:31:35 UTC  

@james j and I had an interesting conversation last night with a Q zealot and a British Anarchist - both college aged. It was... interesting?

2020-11-28 18:31:55 UTC  

Welcome... Jump right in.