There are reasons to be made for either outcome on Jan 6th

It would be good to see the dems rule the senate. Might get something useful passed

Maybe

History dictates otherwise

Whoever controls the senate controls the judiciary for state and circuit court, right?

Judge picks, essentially. I see nominations on my govtracker all the time but I'm not sure if that's checked anywhere else

I would participate in your mind game but in order to do so, I would have to accept everything you claim as fact….when, I cannot agree that it’s all factual. So, instead I’ve responded to your points.
1) There was absolutely fraud... There always is some fraud. Some get caught some don't. I believe that there are people on both sides of the political spectrum that are willing to do what it takes to help their chosen candidate win. I think it has been that way for a long time. It sucks and every single one that is caught should be prosecuted. I think that most election officials know that this is going to happen and while they'll do everything they can to prevent it, they will spend the majority of that effort to prevent wide-spread fraud, because they know that ultimately the small time fraud is a zero sum game as neither side is more or less likely to partake.

My Response: Yes, there’s always fraud. However….mail-in ballots in massive amounts across the nation open up huge doors for fraud to pour in. No reputable democracy allows this kind of mail in ballot mess due to the ease of fraud.

2) President Trump has told his supporters repeatedly for at least 7 months that there would be massive fraud and that the only way he would lose is if Biden and/or his supporters cheated.

My Response: Agreed. He warned supporters repeatedly – especially when states started enacting rules about mass mail in voting….which, as I said earlier, no other democracy accepts because of the possibility of massive fraud.

3) After the 2016 election, the DHS has been working to make elections more secure. In 2018, Trump formalized this effort by creating the CISA group and handpicked Chris Krebs to head it. This group established standards for voter equipment certification, implemented sophisticated anti-hacking measures, implemented video surveillance at counting facilities (many live-streamed), encouraged states to replace systems that didn't have paper ballot backups that could be used to verify the electronic vote tallies.

My Response: 2 years of “securing” went out the window when mass mail-in voting was allowed (against the laws/constitutions in several states, I might add).

4) With recounts in GA and WI showing that the paper ballots match the electronically tabulated totals, if votes were flipped, someone had to have replaced real paper ballots for Trump with fake ballots for Biden (either leaving down-ballot races blank or guessing on likely down-ballot votes hoping it would be close enough) - either between the time they were cast and when they were tabulated (no flipping via Dominion needed) or after tabulation to match any flipped votes by precinct.

My Response: Too many seasoned election workers came forward about “pristine” mail in ballots during said recount. How can mail in ballots not even have a crease where they’d been folded to put in their secrecy enveloped? On the ballot recreation, it isn’t all that difficult. All it took was one election worker with a thumb drive of the ballots or an outside actor pulling them off a Google Drive where they’d been placed for a printer to access. An Election Source employee explained this in a video. Since I cannot verify this video, I am sharing it here but not in the public sphere. https://youtu.be/60j7c-Oa4UE

This is why the investigator (I believe it was Ramsland) encouraged the legislators to have the ballots forensically tested in the mail-in counting centers.

5) To date, only circumstantial evidence has been found. No one has found direct evidence of a conspiracy - we have not found and no whistleblower has come forward with evidence of meetings, coordination, plans, computer records, recruiting efforts, instructions, actual ballots that had been replaced by forged ones, addresses to where excessive numbers of unrelated voters were sent mail-in ballots, etc. The only evidence that has been brought forward are: a disputed history of Dominion conspiring with a dead dictator to switch votes for Biden, reports of contentious and possible suspicious behavior, and attempts to identify patterns in voting data that could support that wide-spread fraud had occurred.

My Response: If you were part of this mess, would YOU come forward? Holy cow, no way. Others have come forward who witnessed things – some of those have been involved in the process for decades and aren’t “seeing things that aren’t there.” We’ve had several USPS whistleblowers. But whistleblowers who were actually involved…no way in hades will we have one of those come forward and say, “Yep, it was me. I was part of the fraud perpetrated on the entire nation.” It would ruin their lives forever.

Also....you don't actually need tons of people. You need a few key people who improperly train election workers, print ballots, get them into the ballot counting senter (possibly even in secure ballot storage boxes)....

I'd presume we've only seen the tip of the iceburg of the people who have actually come forward. Not particularly public/media knowledge because opsec

A few key people in each area that you're hitting....Pittsburgh, Philly, Detroit, Atlanta, Phoenix, Milwaukee and so on. The rest is easy if the worker have been improprly trained, they don't know they're aiding.

Sounds like a LOT of them are improperly trained.

I agree. I imagine people will slowly come forward for many years.

I'd imagine more will come out over a Scotus ruling.

@Recalibar, you just advanced to level 1!

Ruling? Hearing*

Yes, say the head of the TCF Center's counting facility is a key person....they would train all the workers there .... effectively teaching them all to help the fraud without those workers ever realizing that they're being taught that.

I got a lot of money on Biden not getting to 270 tho. Fingers crossed no whammys.

Gives plenty of time to properly sort this shit out

Re: "Sounds like a LOT of them are improperly trained." Yeah right: Improperly Trained to Steal an Election. Every dam one of them the night & day they pulled the 'cases' from under the draped table and started counting votes was trained. They all need to be trained in a Federal Prison for the next 30 years.

@DisenchantedTruth chris Krebs.. yes he did an excellent job . And got fired because Trump didn like he told the truth

Hi From Australia - is Alito hearing the PA case on December 9th a checkmate against Trump?

Well, the safe harbor deadline I don't believe applies to SCOTUS rulings, only state legislatures selecting their electors.

Could be wrong, knowledge on the subject is fuzzy when it comes to details. I think what's going on is they're waiting on the PA legislature to make a move or not before scotus takes the case.

Thank you for your response. I appreciate your input. I regret that you characterize this as a "mind game"... I would like to point out that I asserted Assumptions and Facts. I did not specify which was which, because that was not the point.

Case in point, you assert without backing it up that massive mail-in fraud was a certainty without backing your claim. I believe that it would be nearly impossible to commit coordinated, widespread voter fraud without some traceable artifact. Matt Braynard attempted to find this in his Voter Integrity Project effort. I applauded his efforts, but I think he came up short in proving fraud, but he identified possible indications of fraud and, apparently, has shared that with the FBI, who will hopefully follow up on it. It is important to know the truth one way or another. The think about mail-in voter fraud is that you have to tell them where to send the ballot so you can receive it, fill it out, and send it back. Some people have suggested that rented mailboxes might be used for this purpose, but I know from having rented them in the past that you must provide identification and usually a credit card.

So, I have heard Trump's claim that mail-in voting will be fraudulent and I have heard him assert that no other country does it, but I have not seen anyone provide a reasonable explanation how anyone could pull off massive voter fraud without leaving a massive, easily discernable footprint.

I mean, we've really had little else to work off of than massive, easily discernable footprints to base these allegations on. It's just a matter of if the media wants the public to be aware or not. Doesn't seem to be in their interest.

Sir to state Matt Braynard came up short?.................................. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH9ihoLi1NA

@Recalibar thanks - but can a favorable scotus result from Alito change the PA elector selections once done? Also, is Alito the only SCOTUS representatative? when would the entire SCOTUS bench become involved?

@tomB63, you just advanced to level 1!

Indications of possible fraud and fraud are different.

Maybe a clue from Q...

If Wayne county's 0 registered voter precincts, many places reporting that they had unusually high turnout rates across several thousand counties, hundred thousand or so, massive vote dumps, etc. They're all pretty big footprints, not sure how more true of a scottsman you can be.

@tomB63 I believe they're looking at throwing out some 200,000 votes submitted illegally because of an 11th hour ruling by the state court giving an opinion as late as august on how the mail-in deadline was extended another two days outside of their legal statute. That would mean that the electors would go to Trump, in that case, especially if that were the ruling on the damages. Alito is not the only SCOTUS rep of course, but there are many other court cases that indicate that the final result is changed. If you've seen the allotted heads of circuit courts, but *conservative judges are* all presiding over these swing states in question.

He also had TWO voting systems in the group that wrote that statement. Those were NOT impartial. They never should have been included at all.

I take it you wrote the dissenting opinion? Lmao

https://www.supremecourt.gov/about/circuitassignments.aspx ah

@Recalibar, you just advanced to level 2!

I'm not sure about other states...but in NV, they've shown MANY registered voters at places that are not residential addresses.

@DisenchantedTruth corporations are people too.

In which case, my husband and I should have voted another 4 times because we own 4 coporations?

Ffs these alt facts. When will it be enough?