Are you aware of this? https://www.baltimoresun.com/features/retro-baltimore/bs-fe-retro-ballots-20200903-45bwp36t2bfvvmiy3pmpca7zku-story.html

I just said Lincoln was the last president I could think of to have exercised that power....

Tried and true methods of ballot harvesting. haha

I think he meant the mailin ballot fraud part haha

So it turned out to be so in this case? Fraud that is.

@Corndog this isn’t about circumstances it’s about the dichotomy you presented. Proving a election not fraudulent or fraudulent. We have never proven a election not fraudulent as a barrier to becoming president. That’s why using your criteria trump can’t be president because it was never proven he won without fraud.

The only thing I've yet to see is fraud or impropriety that happened to extent to change the outcome in these states.

In the Lincoln case

How did Trump win fraudulently in 2016?

Massive fraud.

@Adam135 I’m using his criteria of having to prove a election non fraudulent

Absolutely, if actual proof is found that massive fraud tipped the balance in the race, no reasonable American would ignore it.

It's hard to say, because these aren't exactly criminal proceedings

I didn’t present that dichotomy sorry.

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Have you done a deep dive into this ? The Lincoln deal?

I've read parts of it, I know Lincoln was often remembered as honest, ethical but hard fought leader, but there's a side of him most people glaze over.

I know my mom hates Lincoln

He knew how dirty politics was, he more or less, a means to justify the end for the greater good sorta person

Based off of that it's probably not true.

He reimbursed politicians heavily for voting in his favor .

I'm kinda curious I don't see too many countersuits to the trump campaign.

He suppressed freedom of the press during times in his term

Like dominion suing for defamation.

There have been a couple, from the ACLU and the lincoln project

Dude just trying to run out the clock

To have a contingent election

Any kind of actual finding isn't going to help the case

I think for that they would need to prove their machines are more secure than BofA atms

I mean, if you're going to claim that fraud is impossible...

people have already established how vulnerable those systems are, I don't know if these lawsuits named Dominion specifically for any malicious intent to subvert the election

They probably alleged a third party to that effect

@Corndog you did , you said you have to prove the election non fraudulent

No I didn’t

there has to be more specificity when it comes to election fraud. Fraud will always occur in an election cycle so long as there is one person who will act outside the law to ensure their preferred candidate wins. The burden of proof is more so on did it occur to the extent it impacted the outcome

We have some of the strictest laws and harshest punishments for using and producing counterfeit money, but it still remains in circulation, the only question is to what percent does it dilute it.

Please let me know where you are getting that from if you don’t agree. I happy to clarify anything else for you as well. After that I am interested in your answer to my previous standing question.

yet another reason those GA runoff Senate elections are critical to each party: https://www.vox.com/2020/12/5/22155815/daca-court-nicholas-garaufis-batalla-vidal-chad-wolf-homeland-security-joe-biden-trump

But will reasonable Americans even hear about it if it's proven...half the county doesn't know about a single achievement from the last 4 years because a huge majority of main news sources refused to report on those achievements. Heck, I know many who don't even know that Trump's been nominated 5x for a Nobel Peace Price. FIVE nominations and half the country doesn't know about ONE.

I missed this one, sorry. Who increased the barriers?

@Corndog you have the position that the election needs to be proven non fraudulent right.