Message from @DrSammyD

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2020-12-08 18:35:56 UTC  

PA Republicans are suing the PA Secretary of the Commonwealth for enforcing a law passed by a Republican legislature.

2020-12-08 18:36:23 UTC  

Their compelling case is 'What we did was totally unconstitutional, but if you actually make us follow our own rules it will be really bad.'

2020-12-08 18:36:34 UTC  

This should not be surprising. I don't know why I am freshly amazed every time.

2020-12-08 18:36:36 UTC  

They basically admit it.

2020-12-08 18:37:19 UTC  

Read the response...

2020-12-08 18:37:20 UTC  

What the PA GOP did @Dreadnaught

2020-12-08 18:37:45 UTC  

Correct.

2020-12-08 18:37:47 UTC  

This is, on it's face true. However it's a bit of a bait and switch. The legislature did part. Then the governor pulled the rug out from under EVERYTHING.

2020-12-08 18:38:22 UTC  

The PA GOP literally passed Act 77 that the PA GOP is now claiming is unconstitutional.

2020-12-08 18:38:34 UTC  

When they passed it, PA had a very formal request-only process.

2020-12-08 18:38:55 UTC  

@TaLoN132 That is asinine. Why read the response when Tim Pool can tell you what to think? So much easier.

2020-12-08 18:38:58 UTC  

The govenor then pulled out all semblence of procedure.

2020-12-08 18:39:25 UTC  

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter.

2020-12-08 18:39:27 UTC  

This case before Alito does not even make any issue with the temporary changes made by Boockvar and upheld by the PA SC. Those have NOTHING to do with this case.

2020-12-08 18:39:34 UTC  

it was unconstitutional, whoever passed it.

2020-12-08 18:39:55 UTC  

Alito tried to get PA to fix things and the PA courts told him to fuck off.

2020-12-08 18:40:07 UTC  

Before the election.

2020-12-08 18:40:07 UTC  

@Dreadnaught, you just advanced to level 3!

2020-12-08 18:40:59 UTC  

Not entirely sure how this suddenly makes it constitutional

2020-12-08 18:41:03 UTC  

The Governor had nothing to do with this - other than certifying the election on the day that he was supposed to do so - by law. Seriously, you accuse me of being barely literate and you have absolutely zero facts right.

2020-12-08 18:41:21 UTC  

They could have done it so they could bait People into voting illegally and then throw them out.

2020-12-08 18:41:25 UTC  

I also think Biden and Harris have personally attempted to destroy the lives of at least half of the supreme court, so the odds they let this go seem slim.

2020-12-08 18:41:56 UTC  

Are you just willfully manipulative or just stupid?

2020-12-08 18:42:22 UTC  

That is pretty ironic, no?

2020-12-08 18:42:50 UTC  

Shocker... Attack me when you have no facts to back up your assertions.

2020-12-08 18:42:53 UTC  

The country always suffers under the actions of conservatives @jfindley

2020-12-08 18:45:12 UTC  

Here's the response's opening paragraph. There is literally nothing suggesting that the suit is wrong. Just that it's too big of a step. This is basically saying the suit is correct.: Petitioners [Kelly and others] ask this Court to undertake one of the most dramatic, disruptive invocations of judicial power in the history of the Republic. No court has ever issued an order nullifying a governor’s certification of presidential election results. And for good reason: “Once the door is opened to judicial invalidation of presidential election results, it will be awfully hard to close that door again. . . . The loss of public trust in our constitutional order resulting from the exercise of this kind of judicial power would be incalculable.

2020-12-08 18:45:21 UTC  

Put the eggnog down Uncle Fred.

2020-12-08 18:45:43 UTC  

The PA Response makes this clear... Act 77 - a statute - creates a new class of voting that is different from Absentee voting. They cite precedent where this has been done in PA before. They provide backing for the Laches ruling. They show that Republican lawmakers were aware that some may question the constitutionality of the statute and put in a clause that provided 180 days for challenging the statute on constitutional grounds. This would have given standing to anyone concerned before the Primaries. They go on and on. Point by point.

2020-12-08 18:46:51 UTC  

'You can't bake a lynchpin into your legislation, let people operate with it in good faith and then pull it only if things don't go your way.' - Everyone

2020-12-08 18:46:59 UTC  

Fortunately, SC Justices don't stop reading after the first paragraph and understand that they may consider the entire text of the response.

2020-12-08 18:47:46 UTC  

Misuse of the word illegally

2020-12-08 18:48:12 UTC  

That's a pretty big logical leap. What do you mean?

2020-12-08 18:50:21 UTC  

@TaLoN132 do you think act77 is legit?

2020-12-08 18:52:33 UTC  

@jfindley The PA GOP creating a constitutional issue then complaining about it effecting everyone else negatively . Plus all the laws we don’t get passed like decriminalizing drugs,

2020-12-08 18:53:33 UTC  

I think the better question, is there any reason to think the SC is going to think that act 77 is legit?

2020-12-08 18:54:03 UTC  

Not getting a comprehensive stimulus bill passed in March that would have lasted more than a one time payment

2020-12-08 18:54:56 UTC  

Now, no one knew how long this thing was going to go.

2020-12-08 18:56:27 UTC  

I do... The legislature passed a bi-partisan statute to allow mail-in voting. The PA legislature has the job of determining the manner that PA citizens choose their electors - and they cite precedent for making these types of changes via statute vs amendments. I understand the concerns about the temporary changes that were made prior to the election, but those were arguable and the US SC chose to let those stand. When PA Republicans challenged the changes that were made by Boockvar - they held up Act 77 as the valid law that she was violating. They did not make any claim that Act 77 was unconstitutional at that time - they made the opposite claim. This challenge was only brought up when their guy didn't win.

2020-12-08 19:00:01 UTC  

@TaLoN132 If we had a contract we agreed on ur ok with me changing that contract without ur knowledge?

2020-12-08 19:00:12 UTC  

Questions about the constitutionality of state laws are generally left to the State's SC - it's a stretch to think that this is a Federal issue. We'll see, though. I'm not sure that Kelly made his case properly. His lawyers did not make a federal claim in the original complaint. They tried to back there way into it. It could be dismissed on that alone.