Message from @SoonMrWick
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Lmao love that one
Hahaha me too
Should have added Ricky Jay and Penn and Teller from the jump.
That's crazy.... no one is talking about this.... and it's even more crazy that this is on the New York Times site.. lol
Texas case was intended to set precedent for a ruling of no bueno on filings from Democrats in the future. Long game imo.
Again... they have done the footwork... if you mean Trump Legal Team. They have done everything possible so far as I can see...
But what we cannot do is get into a situation or set a precedent where anytime a candidate is a sore loser and wants to challenge the results we go through this type circus. Its dangerous to the democracy itself.
Trump team certainly didnt help themselves and their credibility by screaming fraud to every TV camera they could find and allege a giant conspiracy involving everyone from Republican Secs of States, Biden, the dog catcher and long dead dictators but then when they are in court they say "this is not a fraud case" and "we are not saying that anyone stole the election".
Its all for show. For Trump its a way to keep his base all fired up and donate their well over 200 Million so they can pay off his debt. And then of course with those legions of Cult of Trump members behind him he becomes a king maker in Republican politics for years to come
"Oh, so RNC you want me to endorse X... well it will cost ya. Oh, you won't pay my price...... one sec. Hey Donnie Jr, get ready to run for president."
@Cali La La exactly
Are there any cases from the past where people were charged with election fraud and ballots were not found on the bed or someone didn't rat someone else out?@Zuluzeit @Cali La La @SoonMrWick
Get a room
> Are there any cases from the past where people were charged with election fraud and ballots were not found on the bed or someone didn't rat someone else out?@Zuluzeit @Cali La La @SoonMrWick
@busillis Except for the ones where people just made an overwhelming gish gallop of claims in the hope that it would impress people, I'm not aware of any.
Well.... yeah I agree but the State do get to make up their own rules (to an extent) on how those electors are chosen... but its so minor as to be splitting hairs, so yes I agree with you on that
This is kind of what our legal system is built for, just saying. This is why I think it's a good thing that Rittenhouse is going through the motions and eventually to trial.
I think those are two different issues. A criminal defendant is not using the court system to further his criminal agenda.
But that is exactly what Trump is doing....
Changing 1700 votes is not similar to invalidating millions upon millions of votes across 4 states 🤔
I'm digging on selfpinging. Almost as good as the real thing.
To some people, they would say that's what Biden is doing.
How is Trump a defendant?
He isn't that is just my point
.....except the "victim" testimony was completely detached from recorded reality. https://youtu.be/gwpvS4wN5cU
But I put that in that room.
@SoonMrWick, you just advanced to level 7!
Yes, and? The state is prosecuting Kyle.
It is a Nuance in Constitutional Law, I will admit. That is why the Supreme Court should have taken the Case. Argue the Theory in a Hearing for Summary Judgment.
And honestly its never been the courts I was worried about with Trump. Its obvious he was going to lose. But his contacting the State Legislatures and trying to strong arm them into not certifying the counties where Biden won. Or throw out entire States where Biden won, not because any court found fraud or illegality but just because he says so...
That is the Sedition I am referring to
Do you know what the public would think right now if Kyle weren't going through the criminal justice system?
Contacting state legislators is something else entirely, and I agree it's not a good thing.
Yeah the candidates arent supposed to be getting the people running the election to fix it for then. The level of abuse Trump took this to is despicable and despotic.
I don't mean to say they aren't handling it properly in court. I'm saying the public has their version of what happened. So let them say it and show it. But COME ON with the mile long coincidences/convenient decisions. Ex. Georgia not being able to show the chain of custody until January 19th, 2021?
He was calling state and national Congress. Calling governors. Calling local folks like in the wayne county deal. Calling on people to support the Texas lawsuit.
You are so missing the point here. Kyle is going through the courts as a criminal defendant. His rights are being protected (at least we hope)... but its the goal.
As to Trump the major issue is him going to the State Legislatures with these Melissa Carone types in an attempt to undermine confident in our Democracy.
What is the goal? It clearly is not linked to what is happening in Court.
The goal is to get enough State Legislatures or Governors to either not certify or send 2 sets of Electors so that no candidate makes it to 270. Thus sending it to the House where he hopes he has a real shot.
That IS SEDITION - Its happening in bad faith.
As to Kyle.... that little idiot should have his grandma ring his ears for putting himself in that moronic situation but so far from what I have seen it looks like Self Defense to me.
There were a lot of other witnesses besides Melissa Carone who seemed a lot more credible.... they weren't all 'crazys'
Well that's sort of your opinion of what he's doing. He could very well believe he was cheated. In fact, he probably does given his nature. The point I'm trying to make is you want these things litigated so you don't tank public trust in the institutions.
I'd love to see your proof of this being bad faith though.
If Obama pulled a fraction of this like calling up a governor of a state Romney won and then they were like eh we decided to not certify this state something is wrong.
Bad faith is harder to prove than voter fraud.
Free Speech is a Double Edged Sword. He is not asking for something outside what is prescribed by Law?
Yes the things he was asking for were outside the scope of what they should be doing legally. But even if they weren't intimidating people in charge of the election into doing things for you still a nono