Message from @SoonMrWick

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2020-12-13 19:43:26 UTC  

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2020-12-13 19:43:40 UTC  

Lmao love that one

2020-12-13 19:43:50 UTC  

Hahaha me too

2020-12-13 19:43:54 UTC  

Should have added Ricky Jay and Penn and Teller from the jump.

2020-12-13 19:45:36 UTC  

That's crazy.... no one is talking about this.... and it's even more crazy that this is on the New York Times site.. lol

2020-12-13 19:45:43 UTC  

Texas case was intended to set precedent for a ruling of no bueno on filings from Democrats in the future. Long game imo.

2020-12-13 19:45:56 UTC  

Again... they have done the footwork... if you mean Trump Legal Team. They have done everything possible so far as I can see...

But what we cannot do is get into a situation or set a precedent where anytime a candidate is a sore loser and wants to challenge the results we go through this type circus. Its dangerous to the democracy itself.

Trump team certainly didnt help themselves and their credibility by screaming fraud to every TV camera they could find and allege a giant conspiracy involving everyone from Republican Secs of States, Biden, the dog catcher and long dead dictators but then when they are in court they say "this is not a fraud case" and "we are not saying that anyone stole the election".

Its all for show. For Trump its a way to keep his base all fired up and donate their well over 200 Million so they can pay off his debt. And then of course with those legions of Cult of Trump members behind him he becomes a king maker in Republican politics for years to come
"Oh, so RNC you want me to endorse X... well it will cost ya. Oh, you won't pay my price...... one sec. Hey Donnie Jr, get ready to run for president."

2020-12-13 19:46:28 UTC  

@Cali La La exactly

2020-12-13 19:46:31 UTC  

Are there any cases from the past where people were charged with election fraud and ballots were not found on the bed or someone didn't rat someone else out?@Zuluzeit @Cali La La @SoonMrWick

2020-12-13 19:46:54 UTC  

Nope of course not @busillis ... which is an excellent point

2020-12-13 19:47:13 UTC  

Get a room

2020-12-13 19:48:00 UTC  

> Are there any cases from the past where people were charged with election fraud and ballots were not found on the bed or someone didn't rat someone else out?@Zuluzeit @Cali La La @SoonMrWick
@busillis Except for the ones where people just made an overwhelming gish gallop of claims in the hope that it would impress people, I'm not aware of any.

2020-12-13 19:48:29 UTC  

Well.... yeah I agree but the State do get to make up their own rules (to an extent) on how those electors are chosen... but its so minor as to be splitting hairs, so yes I agree with you on that

2020-12-13 19:48:39 UTC  

This is kind of what our legal system is built for, just saying. This is why I think it's a good thing that Rittenhouse is going through the motions and eventually to trial.

2020-12-13 19:50:00 UTC  

I think those are two different issues. A criminal defendant is not using the court system to further his criminal agenda.

But that is exactly what Trump is doing....

2020-12-13 19:50:09 UTC  

Changing 1700 votes is not similar to invalidating millions upon millions of votes across 4 states 🤔

2020-12-13 19:50:20 UTC  

I'm digging on selfpinging. Almost as good as the real thing.

2020-12-13 19:50:21 UTC  

To some people, they would say that's what Biden is doing.

2020-12-13 19:50:22 UTC  

How is Trump a defendant?

2020-12-13 19:50:40 UTC  

He isn't that is just my point

2020-12-13 19:51:01 UTC  

.....except the "victim" testimony was completely detached from recorded reality. https://youtu.be/gwpvS4wN5cU

But I put that in that room.

2020-12-13 19:51:02 UTC  

@SoonMrWick, you just advanced to level 7!

2020-12-13 19:51:02 UTC  

Yes, and? The state is prosecuting Kyle.

2020-12-13 19:52:25 UTC  

It is a Nuance in Constitutional Law, I will admit. That is why the Supreme Court should have taken the Case. Argue the Theory in a Hearing for Summary Judgment.

2020-12-13 19:52:31 UTC  

And honestly its never been the courts I was worried about with Trump. Its obvious he was going to lose. But his contacting the State Legislatures and trying to strong arm them into not certifying the counties where Biden won. Or throw out entire States where Biden won, not because any court found fraud or illegality but just because he says so...

That is the Sedition I am referring to

2020-12-13 19:52:34 UTC  

Do you know what the public would think right now if Kyle weren't going through the criminal justice system?

2020-12-13 19:54:11 UTC  

This is one of the things that frustrates @Zuluzeit to no end. @Zuluzeit has a low tolerance for hollow pageantry, although @Zuluzeit understands the utility of it.

2020-12-13 19:55:11 UTC  

Contacting state legislators is something else entirely, and I agree it's not a good thing.

2020-12-13 19:55:49 UTC  

Yeah the candidates arent supposed to be getting the people running the election to fix it for then. The level of abuse Trump took this to is despicable and despotic.

2020-12-13 19:55:49 UTC  

I don't mean to say they aren't handling it properly in court. I'm saying the public has their version of what happened. So let them say it and show it. But COME ON with the mile long coincidences/convenient decisions. Ex. Georgia not being able to show the chain of custody until January 19th, 2021?

2020-12-13 19:57:04 UTC  

He was calling state and national Congress. Calling governors. Calling local folks like in the wayne county deal. Calling on people to support the Texas lawsuit.

2020-12-13 19:57:13 UTC  

You are so missing the point here. Kyle is going through the courts as a criminal defendant. His rights are being protected (at least we hope)... but its the goal.

As to Trump the major issue is him going to the State Legislatures with these Melissa Carone types in an attempt to undermine confident in our Democracy.

What is the goal? It clearly is not linked to what is happening in Court.

The goal is to get enough State Legislatures or Governors to either not certify or send 2 sets of Electors so that no candidate makes it to 270. Thus sending it to the House where he hopes he has a real shot.

That IS SEDITION - Its happening in bad faith.

2020-12-13 19:57:58 UTC  

As to Kyle.... that little idiot should have his grandma ring his ears for putting himself in that moronic situation but so far from what I have seen it looks like Self Defense to me.

2020-12-13 19:58:14 UTC  

There were a lot of other witnesses besides Melissa Carone who seemed a lot more credible.... they weren't all 'crazys'

2020-12-13 19:58:28 UTC  

Well that's sort of your opinion of what he's doing. He could very well believe he was cheated. In fact, he probably does given his nature. The point I'm trying to make is you want these things litigated so you don't tank public trust in the institutions.

2020-12-13 19:58:55 UTC  

I'd love to see your proof of this being bad faith though.

2020-12-13 19:58:59 UTC  

If Obama pulled a fraction of this like calling up a governor of a state Romney won and then they were like eh we decided to not certify this state something is wrong.

2020-12-13 19:59:08 UTC  

Bad faith is harder to prove than voter fraud.

2020-12-13 19:59:37 UTC  

Free Speech is a Double Edged Sword. He is not asking for something outside what is prescribed by Law?

2020-12-13 20:00:55 UTC  

Yes the things he was asking for were outside the scope of what they should be doing legally. But even if they weren't intimidating people in charge of the election into doing things for you still a nono