Message from @SoonMrWick

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2020-12-13 19:46:54 UTC  

Nope of course not @busillis ... which is an excellent point

2020-12-13 19:47:13 UTC  

Get a room

2020-12-13 19:48:00 UTC  

> Are there any cases from the past where people were charged with election fraud and ballots were not found on the bed or someone didn't rat someone else out?@Zuluzeit @Cali La La @SoonMrWick
@busillis Except for the ones where people just made an overwhelming gish gallop of claims in the hope that it would impress people, I'm not aware of any.

2020-12-13 19:48:29 UTC  

Well.... yeah I agree but the State do get to make up their own rules (to an extent) on how those electors are chosen... but its so minor as to be splitting hairs, so yes I agree with you on that

2020-12-13 19:48:39 UTC  

This is kind of what our legal system is built for, just saying. This is why I think it's a good thing that Rittenhouse is going through the motions and eventually to trial.

2020-12-13 19:50:00 UTC  

I think those are two different issues. A criminal defendant is not using the court system to further his criminal agenda.

But that is exactly what Trump is doing....

2020-12-13 19:50:09 UTC  

Changing 1700 votes is not similar to invalidating millions upon millions of votes across 4 states 🤔

2020-12-13 19:50:20 UTC  

I'm digging on selfpinging. Almost as good as the real thing.

2020-12-13 19:50:21 UTC  

To some people, they would say that's what Biden is doing.

2020-12-13 19:50:22 UTC  

How is Trump a defendant?

2020-12-13 19:50:40 UTC  

He isn't that is just my point

2020-12-13 19:51:01 UTC  

.....except the "victim" testimony was completely detached from recorded reality. https://youtu.be/gwpvS4wN5cU

But I put that in that room.

2020-12-13 19:51:02 UTC  

@SoonMrWick, you just advanced to level 7!

2020-12-13 19:51:02 UTC  

Yes, and? The state is prosecuting Kyle.

2020-12-13 19:52:25 UTC  

It is a Nuance in Constitutional Law, I will admit. That is why the Supreme Court should have taken the Case. Argue the Theory in a Hearing for Summary Judgment.

2020-12-13 19:52:31 UTC  

And honestly its never been the courts I was worried about with Trump. Its obvious he was going to lose. But his contacting the State Legislatures and trying to strong arm them into not certifying the counties where Biden won. Or throw out entire States where Biden won, not because any court found fraud or illegality but just because he says so...

That is the Sedition I am referring to

2020-12-13 19:52:34 UTC  

Do you know what the public would think right now if Kyle weren't going through the criminal justice system?

2020-12-13 19:54:11 UTC  

This is one of the things that frustrates @Zuluzeit to no end. @Zuluzeit has a low tolerance for hollow pageantry, although @Zuluzeit understands the utility of it.

2020-12-13 19:55:11 UTC  

Contacting state legislators is something else entirely, and I agree it's not a good thing.

2020-12-13 19:55:49 UTC  

Yeah the candidates arent supposed to be getting the people running the election to fix it for then. The level of abuse Trump took this to is despicable and despotic.

2020-12-13 19:55:49 UTC  

I don't mean to say they aren't handling it properly in court. I'm saying the public has their version of what happened. So let them say it and show it. But COME ON with the mile long coincidences/convenient decisions. Ex. Georgia not being able to show the chain of custody until January 19th, 2021?

2020-12-13 19:57:04 UTC  

He was calling state and national Congress. Calling governors. Calling local folks like in the wayne county deal. Calling on people to support the Texas lawsuit.

2020-12-13 19:57:13 UTC  

You are so missing the point here. Kyle is going through the courts as a criminal defendant. His rights are being protected (at least we hope)... but its the goal.

As to Trump the major issue is him going to the State Legislatures with these Melissa Carone types in an attempt to undermine confident in our Democracy.

What is the goal? It clearly is not linked to what is happening in Court.

The goal is to get enough State Legislatures or Governors to either not certify or send 2 sets of Electors so that no candidate makes it to 270. Thus sending it to the House where he hopes he has a real shot.

That IS SEDITION - Its happening in bad faith.

2020-12-13 19:57:58 UTC  

As to Kyle.... that little idiot should have his grandma ring his ears for putting himself in that moronic situation but so far from what I have seen it looks like Self Defense to me.

2020-12-13 19:58:14 UTC  

There were a lot of other witnesses besides Melissa Carone who seemed a lot more credible.... they weren't all 'crazys'

2020-12-13 19:58:28 UTC  

Well that's sort of your opinion of what he's doing. He could very well believe he was cheated. In fact, he probably does given his nature. The point I'm trying to make is you want these things litigated so you don't tank public trust in the institutions.

2020-12-13 19:58:55 UTC  

I'd love to see your proof of this being bad faith though.

2020-12-13 19:58:59 UTC  

If Obama pulled a fraction of this like calling up a governor of a state Romney won and then they were like eh we decided to not certify this state something is wrong.

2020-12-13 19:59:08 UTC  

Bad faith is harder to prove than voter fraud.

2020-12-13 19:59:37 UTC  

Free Speech is a Double Edged Sword. He is not asking for something outside what is prescribed by Law?

2020-12-13 20:00:55 UTC  

Yes the things he was asking for were outside the scope of what they should be doing legally. But even if they weren't intimidating people in charge of the election into doing things for you still a nono

2020-12-13 20:01:39 UTC  

@JD~Jordan Can I get your take on Swalwell since your response is often how people don't get the point followed by your belief of it being treason or sedition

2020-12-13 20:02:07 UTC  

I can legally give someone my wallet with all my money but if someone says give me your wallet or I'll find out where your children go to school that's a different story 😂

2020-12-13 20:02:12 UTC  

@William Dinan could the state courts have set a legal precedent where state law no longer has to be followed?

2020-12-13 20:02:23 UTC  

What did he ask Legislators to do that was in violation of Law?

2020-12-13 20:02:38 UTC  

You can also yell fire in a theater

2020-12-13 20:02:44 UTC  

If nobody is in it

2020-12-13 20:03:00 UTC  

Also pretty sure this was overturned semi-recently.

2020-12-13 20:04:25 UTC  

Its tanked already on that side and that is the problem.....

Seriously go back and look at videos of interviews of Trump supporters BEFORE the election. The Overwhelming majority said that if Trump loses it was because the Democrats stole the election. But if Trump wins it means that Democrats' efforts did not work.

And Trump helped sow this sort of distrust early on. Its not clear to me as to whether he was doing it as an excuse so that when he lost he could say "It was those damn shady mail in ballots. I didnt really lose, but I need to work on my golf game. I conceded, best of luck with that heaping pile of shit I left ya Joe."

OR..... this was his plan what is happening right now:

Tell all his supporters to vote in person. Whatever you do, do not vote by mail. Go to the polls.

Then tries to force the states that were doing the mail in ballots to count those AFTER the in person ballots were counted.

Declare early victory before the States ever had a chance to even count the mail in ballots (which he knew would be heavily skewed toward Biden).

2020-12-13 20:04:26 UTC  

Election board he asked them not to certify they didnt have that authority. Governors he asked the same they are supposed to follow the law. Secretary of state he asked the same they are supposed to follow the law. He was pressuring the scotus to do his bidding and other judges. They are supposed to follow the law. Legislatures dont have the power to steal the election under the law. He was pressuring them to.