Message from @SoonMrWick
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Get a room
> Are there any cases from the past where people were charged with election fraud and ballots were not found on the bed or someone didn't rat someone else out?@Zuluzeit @Cali La La @SoonMrWick
@busillis Except for the ones where people just made an overwhelming gish gallop of claims in the hope that it would impress people, I'm not aware of any.
Well.... yeah I agree but the State do get to make up their own rules (to an extent) on how those electors are chosen... but its so minor as to be splitting hairs, so yes I agree with you on that
This is kind of what our legal system is built for, just saying. This is why I think it's a good thing that Rittenhouse is going through the motions and eventually to trial.
I think those are two different issues. A criminal defendant is not using the court system to further his criminal agenda.
But that is exactly what Trump is doing....
Changing 1700 votes is not similar to invalidating millions upon millions of votes across 4 states 🤔
I'm digging on selfpinging. Almost as good as the real thing.
To some people, they would say that's what Biden is doing.
How is Trump a defendant?
He isn't that is just my point
.....except the "victim" testimony was completely detached from recorded reality. https://youtu.be/gwpvS4wN5cU
But I put that in that room.
@SoonMrWick, you just advanced to level 7!
Yes, and? The state is prosecuting Kyle.
It is a Nuance in Constitutional Law, I will admit. That is why the Supreme Court should have taken the Case. Argue the Theory in a Hearing for Summary Judgment.
And honestly its never been the courts I was worried about with Trump. Its obvious he was going to lose. But his contacting the State Legislatures and trying to strong arm them into not certifying the counties where Biden won. Or throw out entire States where Biden won, not because any court found fraud or illegality but just because he says so...
That is the Sedition I am referring to
Do you know what the public would think right now if Kyle weren't going through the criminal justice system?
Contacting state legislators is something else entirely, and I agree it's not a good thing.
Yeah the candidates arent supposed to be getting the people running the election to fix it for then. The level of abuse Trump took this to is despicable and despotic.
I don't mean to say they aren't handling it properly in court. I'm saying the public has their version of what happened. So let them say it and show it. But COME ON with the mile long coincidences/convenient decisions. Ex. Georgia not being able to show the chain of custody until January 19th, 2021?
He was calling state and national Congress. Calling governors. Calling local folks like in the wayne county deal. Calling on people to support the Texas lawsuit.
You are so missing the point here. Kyle is going through the courts as a criminal defendant. His rights are being protected (at least we hope)... but its the goal.
As to Trump the major issue is him going to the State Legislatures with these Melissa Carone types in an attempt to undermine confident in our Democracy.
What is the goal? It clearly is not linked to what is happening in Court.
The goal is to get enough State Legislatures or Governors to either not certify or send 2 sets of Electors so that no candidate makes it to 270. Thus sending it to the House where he hopes he has a real shot.
That IS SEDITION - Its happening in bad faith.
As to Kyle.... that little idiot should have his grandma ring his ears for putting himself in that moronic situation but so far from what I have seen it looks like Self Defense to me.
There were a lot of other witnesses besides Melissa Carone who seemed a lot more credible.... they weren't all 'crazys'
Well that's sort of your opinion of what he's doing. He could very well believe he was cheated. In fact, he probably does given his nature. The point I'm trying to make is you want these things litigated so you don't tank public trust in the institutions.
I'd love to see your proof of this being bad faith though.
If Obama pulled a fraction of this like calling up a governor of a state Romney won and then they were like eh we decided to not certify this state something is wrong.
Bad faith is harder to prove than voter fraud.
Free Speech is a Double Edged Sword. He is not asking for something outside what is prescribed by Law?
Yes the things he was asking for were outside the scope of what they should be doing legally. But even if they weren't intimidating people in charge of the election into doing things for you still a nono
@JD~Jordan Can I get your take on Swalwell since your response is often how people don't get the point followed by your belief of it being treason or sedition
I can legally give someone my wallet with all my money but if someone says give me your wallet or I'll find out where your children go to school that's a different story 😂
@William Dinan could the state courts have set a legal precedent where state law no longer has to be followed?
What did he ask Legislators to do that was in violation of Law?
You can also yell fire in a theater
If nobody is in it
Also pretty sure this was overturned semi-recently.
Its tanked already on that side and that is the problem.....
Seriously go back and look at videos of interviews of Trump supporters BEFORE the election. The Overwhelming majority said that if Trump loses it was because the Democrats stole the election. But if Trump wins it means that Democrats' efforts did not work.
And Trump helped sow this sort of distrust early on. Its not clear to me as to whether he was doing it as an excuse so that when he lost he could say "It was those damn shady mail in ballots. I didnt really lose, but I need to work on my golf game. I conceded, best of luck with that heaping pile of shit I left ya Joe."
OR..... this was his plan what is happening right now:
Tell all his supporters to vote in person. Whatever you do, do not vote by mail. Go to the polls.
Then tries to force the states that were doing the mail in ballots to count those AFTER the in person ballots were counted.
Declare early victory before the States ever had a chance to even count the mail in ballots (which he knew would be heavily skewed toward Biden).
Election board he asked them not to certify they didnt have that authority. Governors he asked the same they are supposed to follow the law. Secretary of state he asked the same they are supposed to follow the law. He was pressuring the scotus to do his bidding and other judges. They are supposed to follow the law. Legislatures dont have the power to steal the election under the law. He was pressuring them to.