you mean there is a jury of my peers i would like to meet them... wow you would not want to walk into our land just saying

As a jury member, you would be required to determine whether or not a person was guilty *as defined by what the law says*. Otherwise you're not doing your duty as a jury member.

If you don't agree with the law, you're removed from the jury usually.

Exactly. I cannot convict someone unless they have broken the law. Period. I do not have to convict.

DAM YOU KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN!

Tell dc juries that

You have to determine guilt or innocence. Probably technically it's the judge that then convicts.

@Philip R, you just advanced to level 7!

Is there any clarification about the super odd claims they hacked a GA voting machine

What? No, not how it works. If it's trial by jury, it's judgment by jury.

Hence why it's called trial by jury.

Wrong! I determine if they are guilty or not guilty.

Also interested in this!

> Is there any clarification about the super odd claims they hacked a GA voting machine
@Dedkraken Robbed a bank to show it's possible under unnaturally contrived circumstances, I reckon.

He explained it poorly in technical and layman’s terms

Juries are allowed to produce unlawful outcomes in America.

Not sure what you mean by judgement by jury. Juries in Texas also sentence. Not so in federal and most other states.

Okay, I did say "probably". As for "trial by jury", that doesn't mean that the jury handles the entire process; the judge is the one that passes sentence, at least.

> He explained it poorly in technical and layman’s terms
@Dedkraken That's what charlatans *do*. I don't understand your confusion. It seems very plain.

Well, except perhaps for Texas!

He's saying judges can overrule juries, Greg.

umm i claim the chewbacca defense!

Hahaha Chewbacca defense.

no

State-specific, but rulings are handled by juries, not judges, in trial by jury.

They can overrule a jury and find someone not guilty. They cannot overrule a jury and find someone guilty.

Is Trump Chewbacca

From https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/criminal-sentencing-faq.html: "Judges, not juries, almost always determine the punishment, even following jury trials. In fact, a common jury instruction warns jurors not to consider the question of punishment when deciding a defendant's guilt or innocence."

The courts must be biased if they don’t let the wookie win

Also in Texas, the defendant can choose judge or jury for sentencing.

No one doesn't like wookies.

Emperors maybe.

But not in Texas!

That would be why it said "almost always".

That’s not what the Chewbacca defense is? Shame on you South Park

You're pivoting to sentencing when we were talking about verdict.

They're related.

In fact, when I Googled "do juries pass sentence ", one of the options that came up was "do juries pass sentence in Texas"!

I don't think anyone would dispute that Texas is 'special'.

Verdict != sentencing.

GOD BLESS TEXAS!