Message from @Philip R

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2021-01-01 14:02:18 UTC  

@Philip R, you just advanced to level 7!

2021-01-01 14:02:44 UTC  

Is there any clarification about the super odd claims they hacked a GA voting machine

2021-01-01 14:02:59 UTC  

What? No, not how it works. If it's trial by jury, it's judgment by jury.

2021-01-01 14:03:08 UTC  

Hence why it's called trial by jury.

2021-01-01 14:03:09 UTC  

Wrong! I determine if they are guilty or not guilty.

2021-01-01 14:03:41 UTC  

Also interested in this!

2021-01-01 14:03:52 UTC  

> Is there any clarification about the super odd claims they hacked a GA voting machine
@Dedkraken Robbed a bank to show it's possible under unnaturally contrived circumstances, I reckon.

2021-01-01 14:04:34 UTC  

He explained it poorly in technical and layman’s terms

2021-01-01 14:04:41 UTC  

Juries are allowed to produce unlawful outcomes in America.

2021-01-01 14:04:59 UTC  

Not sure what you mean by judgement by jury. Juries in Texas also sentence. Not so in federal and most other states.

2021-01-01 14:05:04 UTC  

Okay, I did say "probably". As for "trial by jury", that doesn't mean that the jury handles the entire process; the judge is the one that passes sentence, at least.

2021-01-01 14:05:27 UTC  

> He explained it poorly in technical and layman’s terms
@Dedkraken That's what charlatans *do*. I don't understand your confusion. It seems very plain.

2021-01-01 14:05:27 UTC  

Well, except perhaps for Texas!

2021-01-01 14:05:29 UTC  

He's saying judges can overrule juries, Greg.

2021-01-01 14:05:32 UTC  

umm i claim the chewbacca defense!

2021-01-01 14:05:53 UTC  

Hahaha Chewbacca defense.

2021-01-01 14:05:58 UTC  

no

2021-01-01 14:06:21 UTC  

State-specific, but rulings are handled by juries, not judges, in trial by jury.

2021-01-01 14:06:27 UTC  

They can overrule a jury and find someone not guilty. They cannot overrule a jury and find someone guilty.

2021-01-01 14:07:15 UTC  

Is Trump Chewbacca

2021-01-01 14:07:50 UTC  

From https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/criminal-sentencing-faq.html: "Judges, not juries, almost always determine the punishment, even following jury trials. In fact, a common jury instruction warns jurors not to consider the question of punishment when deciding a defendant's guilt or innocence."

2021-01-01 14:07:53 UTC  

The courts must be biased if they don’t let the wookie win

2021-01-01 14:08:09 UTC  

Also in Texas, the defendant can choose judge or jury for sentencing.

2021-01-01 14:08:23 UTC  

No one doesn't like wookies.

2021-01-01 14:08:30 UTC  

Emperors maybe.

2021-01-01 14:08:40 UTC  

But not in Texas!

2021-01-01 14:09:16 UTC  

That would be why it said "almost always".

2021-01-01 14:09:24 UTC  

That’s not what the Chewbacca defense is? Shame on you South Park

2021-01-01 14:10:17 UTC  

You're pivoting to sentencing when we were talking about verdict.

2021-01-01 14:10:47 UTC  

They're related.

2021-01-01 14:11:16 UTC  

In fact, when I Googled "do juries pass sentence ", one of the options that came up was "do juries pass sentence in Texas"!

2021-01-01 14:12:04 UTC  

I don't think anyone would dispute that Texas is 'special'.

2021-01-01 14:12:10 UTC  

Verdict != sentencing.

2021-01-01 14:12:28 UTC  

GOD BLESS TEXAS!

2021-01-01 14:12:38 UTC  

Amen

2021-01-01 14:12:42 UTC  

I said that trial by jury doesn't mean that the jury does everything; judges still pass sentence. And therefore "trial by jury" doesn't *necessarily* mean that juries convict as opposed to just determining guilt or otherwise.

2021-01-01 14:12:58 UTC  

Ok, but that wasn't my argument.

2021-01-01 14:13:25 UTC  

your Honer i am sorry but that codom is much to large for me. "if the glove does not fit you must acquit" so "i did not have sexual relations with that woman" = chewbacca!

2021-01-01 14:14:46 UTC  

Also being convicted is the determination of guilt.

2021-01-01 14:14:51 UTC  

LOL!!!

2021-01-01 14:15:02 UTC  

Hence why it's "being convicted and sentenced"