From https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/criminal-sentencing-faq.html: "Judges, not juries, almost always determine the punishment, even following jury trials. In fact, a common jury instruction warns jurors not to consider the question of punishment when deciding a defendant's guilt or innocence."
I said that trial by jury doesn't mean that the jury does everything; judges still pass sentence. And therefore "trial by jury" doesn't *necessarily* mean that juries convict as opposed to just determining guilt or otherwise.
your Honer i am sorry but that codom is much to large for me. "if the glove does not fit you must acquit" so "i did not have sexual relations with that woman" = chewbacca!
That's the bit that I wasn't sure of (and did not dogmatically claim). But I've now checked, and you're correct; determination of guilt IS the conviction.
