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@English Remi also add that I was having a conversation with a friend of mine on FB over a month ago and he was going about how they mailed out ballots in PA and he knew folks that got multiple ballots and I said "oh really" and that his friend should report this to the PA Election Board, etc. Turned out applications were mailed out. Like most things you hear second hand, the details are usually not exactly correct. So in PA the voter had to apply for a mail-in or absentee ballot and that application goes through a approval process and once approved a ballot is sent out. Further the outer envelope of the ballot that the voter is to return the ballot in is uniquely identified to the voter that it was mailed out or given to. “Once the qualified voter’s absentee or mail-in application is approved, the voter is mailed a ballot with instructions and two envelopes,” the memo explains. “The outer envelope includes both a unique correspondence ID barcode that links the envelope to the qualified voter’s application and a pre-printed Voter’s Declaration that the voter must sign representing that the voter is qualified to vote the enclosed ballot and has not already voted.” and when it is returned: Election officials are also encouraged to “examine” and cross-reference the voter’s name and address with a database for registered and absentee voters. Additionally, ballots by people who died are supposed to be be thrown out at this stage.
@English Remi some of the above contains direct cut-n-paste from the very article you linked
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Ty folks
Thank you @Maw
Just doin' my job.
My one question with signature verification is how they determine if signatures match, is there a certain margin of consistency that must be met?
I think you are mixing and matching stories/details from different states ... PA "verified" signatures according the article you linked, the hand recount and the story about ballots under a table stem from GA ... we've been over much of this multiple times in the <#771201221145919499> chat ... the ballots under the table in GA were "naked" mail-in ballots that had been "verified" but not counted, the workers doing the verification work were told they were done for the night, perhaps there was a miscommunication but the poll watchers left at that time, the workers doing the counting were later called and told not to leave but finish counting any ballots that had been verified @TaLoN132 can provide links? ... hand count in GA consisted of counting by hand every ballot in GA (all 5 million), one person reads the vote, another person concurs and they place the ballot in the proper stack for that candidate, any and all unresolved votes get taken before a committee consisting of one Democrat and one Republican and they try to adjudicate how the vote should be counted .... they completed that hand recount in GA prior to the original certification of the vote at the request of the sec of state. Once the votes were certified because the difference was less 0.5 percent, the Trump campaign is entitled to ask for a recount and they performed that by machine and again certified the results https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/13/us/georgia-recount-presidential-election.html
okay off top of my head from my own memory ... Act 77 in PA was voted on by the state legislature in 2019 (before Covid) it essentially eliminated the need for a reason to vote absentee and thus any registered voter for any reason or no reason could vote via mail-in ballot. Later in 2020, the PA sec of state and the PA court modified some of the deadlines relating to the Nov 2020 election. In the US Constitution it says that the state legislature has sole responsibility to set the manner in which presidential electors are chosen. So this later change by the PA sec of state and/or PA court would be of interest in a federal court and potentially by SCOTUS. Act 77 itself according to my understanding has been ruled constitutional (PA state constitution) by the PA supreme court but it's kinda weird including that on the ballot was a constitutional amendment (state constitution) to make it compatible with Act 77. Anyway, the federal courts and/or SCOTUS might be interested in the change in the deadline as a US constitutional issue but Act 77 they would probably not touch regardless how weird it seemed leaving it with the state to resolve since the involvement of the state legislature satisfies the federal requirement. Now if you go to PA election website it says this: "These vote totals do not include any votes from mail ballots received between 8 p.m. on election day and 5 p.m. the following Friday." Almost like they know they messed up with the changing deadline. Anyway the totals without the deadline change have Biden winning PA so even if SCOTUS were to rule the remedy would be to throw out ballots after the original deadline but that wouldn't change anything and thus there is no remedy because there is no harm. https://www.electionreturns.pa.gov/
@English Remi hopefully my comments have helped you and moved the discussion along
My understanding is basically a person puts the signatures from the ballot envelope and the absentee ballot request or voter registration card side by side and compares them. If in their opinion they don't match then it's rejected.
Computers can aid in the matching as well but it's expensive and complicated software
also have machines but the machines require a certain DPI (dots per inch) and the signature scans they were using in some machines didn't met the requirement
also in PA it seems they just "verified" that there was a signature and some other information was checked but tossing ballots based on signature analysis alone was not done
Which is the very first fraud prevention technique.
Plus Trump will sue the machine for being a decepticon sent to help Biden win
it's certainly one of them ... first I would say is don't give out a ballot unless requested by a verified registered voter but some states don't seem to follow that ... states in question do however (except NV?)
was Hugo Chavez also named in that lawsuit?
Powell is calling an expert with ouija board so Hugo Chavez can prove he rigged the election against Biden.
I was totally not expecting that. 'Shocked' barely begins to characterize my reaction.
@meglide#8272 thanks for the info... he had be a fake a spider... since they used that name as if he was a top secret operative
To be fair, it was 'Spyder', which looks more top secrety on its face.
Stunning... If this doesn't wake some people up, nothing will. I mean it's basically this:
So this is interesting. Trump promised to build a wall paid for by Mexico and made by Americans to keep illegal immigration and the drugs and armed Mexicans from coming into our country. He said his experience building Trump Towers and writing the art of the deal would make this process go great.
Instead Mexico wouldnt pay so we had to pay. Instead of American workers he hired Mexican labor illegally paying them inflated prices. He brought in armed illegal Mexicans to guard the project and build a road to bring illegal immigrants into the country. The wall was so crappy it was breached hundreds of times requiring illegal Mexican labor to repair. Trump got the department of justice to help cover it up instead of investigating so a judge had to make this information public. Various other issues. Holy 💩💩💩 I mean I expected this to be built as poorly and just like a Trump Tower but holy 💩💩💩
Dedkraken so funny do u ever sleep lol
Nice... I put mine together hastily.
I made that after the she called this nonsense the kraken 😂
This goes to show that legitimate ballots would have been legally applied for, mailed out, received and returned since people had to go through a process to receive them. Good - but that does not address your FB friend's contention that others were mailed out since the signature verification was effectively eliminated - besides there having to be some sort of signature. And thanks to "voting rights" activists, and forensically destructive separation of envelope and ballot we do not know what proportion of those received were legitimate. Furthermore, Giuliani said that there was a 700 000 discrepancy between the number of these ballots received and the number counted. These things need to be looked at and it seems that so far the Dem side is doing all it can to oppose anyone looking seriously.
my FB friend's contention was wrong he was saying ballots but it was applications for ballots, the voter had to return the application to get a ballot, they might have gotten more than one blank application in the mail but the system was set up to send them only one ballot at their request, that is in response to a filled out application
@English Remi if Giuliani has evidence he has had ample time to bring it ... there have been nearly 50 cases in numerous states, none so far have proven fraud to the standard required in a court
Guiliani is not a trustworthy source for anything. That particular mistruth he was referring to was iirc 2.5 million ballots cast by all parties (actually 2.6) and 1.8 million ballots request by Democrats ( actually 1.9) which ofc is not a real comparison as with GOP and independents and third parties all included the numbers ofc check out.
@Dedkraken what state is this?
PA Guiliani used the mismatch to claim Dems made up 700k illegal votes and that basically 0 mailin votes went to Trump. Super weird I think Trump got like 600k mailin votes and the independents made up the rest.
The 100k bumps happened as they completed counting votes it was pretty early.
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Here's Giuliani's claims. I don't understand what he's saying with respect to the numbers posted on PA election website. https://www.insidesources.com/in-pa-hearing-giuliani-makes-his-case-for-voter-fraud-gone-wild/