Okay, so to trace and close up the discussion. Memes bad unless memes good but memes bad. Roger!

I guess my view is it isn't broke

Wignat memes bad, relevant memes good

It is broke, it's associated with 1.0 freaks

in my experience, once you get someone thinking in a pro-white way, they mostly figure out the JQ for themselves

"Everyone I don't like is a Russian bo-, we, wignat"

Enoch invented it. I think it is uncharitable to call him that

and - this is key - they do it without becoming spergs about it

It's uncharitable to call a guy who runs "The Daily Holocaust" a wignat?

IE has members who are former/current TRS people.

I truly doubt even Mike Enoch is still using echoes

One can laugh at shock jock humor without trying to become a shock jock themselves

TRS people as in TRS audience or content creators?

Big fan of FTN

@Nick_Knight I know of 2 content creators formerly, none currently

the way I see it, TRS has parts I like and parts I don’t like, but the TRS people I’ve met in person have all been pretty cool

@Lawrence of Eurabia I like their deep dives

Point missed. The Point of the title (which is changed, and if all orgs are doomed because of past mistakes remember, Mike was exonerated from the same lawsuit that plagues IE) is that the usual suspects kvetch about Everything and compare Everything to certain things

@John O -

definitely learned a lot (civics) about how the government works from FTN

<:whitepill:439924104406106113> https://www.rt.com/usa/449757-trump-wall-plan-21-days/

@Nick_Knight both

I don't care what the inside joke is, I care about how it looks from the outside

I think TRS is insulated enough from the public that it’s not a big deal

although I agree that the title is way excessive

My point is that if you use echoes, people dive into what echoes mean, and they see people like the TRS guys using echoes, then associate you with the TRS guys @Alex Kolchak - NY

At some point you need to figure out that anything white-centric is going to be deemed excessive by someone and just own it.

Think about the "It's OK to be white" slogan

oh ok, fair enough @John O -

It does not get any less excessive than that.

There's a difference between being an upstanding representative of your ideals, and being edgy to piss people off

And I think TRS is fine for anonnstuff not tied to IE. But I accept if IE doesn't want any ties to TRS in IE-obvious cyberstrike, circumstantial or otherwise, sure I will abide by that.

We need to be above reproach.

I’d be very wary of the “they’ll just call us X anyway” mindset, @Nick_Knight .

2018: The public optics wars
2019: The private optics wars

I am not advocating for "screw the optics"

“Just own it?”

Or am I reading too much into that?

Just for getting into the mindset that EVERYTHING is a hate symbol for some people once it becomes a visible threat. Optics matter.

It's all so tiresome. Forget I said anything about memes. I will hand out old Pat Buchanan books. Should work. After all it did in 1992

I think I was not as clear as I wanted to.

I think as long as there’s no public overlap between IE and TRS, there’s nothing wrong with people liking both on their own