Message from @ophiuchus
Discord ID: 542219331107291146
I suppose nobody has ever held them accountable for USSR war crimes, though, nobody marched into Russia after WWII and did stuff to 2 million Russian women and babies and bombed civilian cities. I think their mindset would be different, had they been held accountable for everything.
Asides from Bolshevik Jews wanting to overthrow the Tsars, one should recognize that the Tsars were pretty stagnant and inbred like most European monarchies. They were just ass backwards until Peter the Great so got the revolution later.
the tsars were really bad
a lot of people downplay it because they think tsars = based anti-communists
but the truth is that before the Bolshevik Revolution life expectancies and literacy were lower and infant mortality was higher
by pretty big amounts
Unironically bolshevikism was founded by New Yorker bankers which is odd to me.
ya it was definitely done with the intention to subvert
but I mean ask yourself why people supported the Bolsheviks so easily
I mean, doing something for the majority of the Russian people > doing nothing at all
Russian peasants were barely considered human by their ruling class
exactly
communism wasn't good, but to a typical peasant it probably looked like an obvious improvement to getting ruled over by feudal lords in the 20th century
People do not necessarily know what they are going to get when they overthrow an old order for a new one. I also do not expect peasant farmers to understand economics.
I want to say serfdom wasn’t officially abolished in Russia until the 1850s or so
I don't know, I think a lot more people died with Bolsheviks than with the first ruling government after the revolution. The first ruling party wasn't actually violent at all, besides the revolution, but then they were killed by the Bolsheviks.
It is sadly unfortunate
I mean, be honest. Most countries in Africa were objectively better off when run by whites too- but you weren’t going to convince the people of that. The powerless feeling that comes with being excluded from political participation doesn’t allow for rationalization of the situation.
Early Leninism was just utter economic nonsense, so much so that not even the most deranged antifa would support it. It was done out of spite. Well because ya know.
I don't know if I would even say they made a mistake. Communism may very well have been an improvement over feudalism.
That's true. They did the same thing in Germany as well, when using strife and struggle to gain influence on a personal level. It's where Antifa comes from, actually, and they're still around today, from the old 1930 German Communist party as an act of civil revolutionaries
Communism is definitely not the ideal economic system- but it was almost inevitable that *something* of its nature took the place of a system in which 20,000,000 people were legally owned.
This is a bs meme but it is funny
Again, serfdom in Russian was contemporary with Victorian England.
@Nemets without Léopold, for sure. I’m not sure about the actual Belgian government of the area.
Remember that the Congo Free State wasn’t properly Belgian- it was held as the private property of the king- who was rightly forced to abdicate for his appalling governance of the territory.
@ophiuchus Not to argue of course my man, but in every other point in history when we have fought against tyrannical monarchies, it didn't turn into Communism, but a better form of Monarchies, or republicanism, imo
@Wood-Ape - OK/MN hard to argue serfdom was worse then corporate bugmanism
Highly subjective.
They're both pretty bad though...
@The Eternal Anglo No, you’re right. But this situation was different. The same social system from the Middle Ages in Western Europe was still in place almost 100 years after the French Revolution. It wasn’t going to go gently. There was no gradual easing.
The meme was just in my folder and relevant to the topic
From talking to my family in Poland, usually the take I get is that communism wasn't ideal, but there were good and bad parts. The only people really who do the whole "OMG Zimbabwe tier breadlines" routine are immigrants who exaggerate for sympathy.
My advice is take everything immigrants say with a bit skepticism
>Zimbabwe breadlines
Have to have bread to have breadlines
damnit he stole the joke
lol ya I was thinking that too
What is Zimbabwe? I have never heard of that country
@Wood-Ape - OK/MN I’m gonna start an Amish lifestyle resort. You can get the serf experience without the serf commitment. You in?
@ophiuchus hmm, that's certainly true my dude
@Evan I've farmed before. A/C in the southern summer is the only tech I'd kvetch about missing. What sort of latitude?