a lot of people downplay it because they think tsars = based anti-communists

but the truth is that before the Bolshevik Revolution life expectancies and literacy were lower and infant mortality was higher

by pretty big amounts

Unironically bolshevikism was founded by New Yorker bankers which is odd to me.

ya it was definitely done with the intention to subvert

but I mean ask yourself why people supported the Bolsheviks so easily

I mean, doing something for the majority of the Russian people > doing nothing at all

Russian peasants were barely considered human by their ruling class

exactly
communism wasn't good, but to a typical peasant it probably looked like an obvious improvement to getting ruled over by feudal lords in the 20th century

People do not necessarily know what they are going to get when they overthrow an old order for a new one. I also do not expect peasant farmers to understand economics.

I want to say serfdom wasn’t officially abolished in Russia until the 1850s or so

I don't know, I think a lot more people died with Bolsheviks than with the first ruling government after the revolution. The first ruling party wasn't actually violent at all, besides the revolution, but then they were killed by the Bolsheviks.

It is sadly unfortunate

I mean, be honest. Most countries in Africa were objectively better off when run by whites too- but you weren’t going to convince the people of that. The powerless feeling that comes with being excluded from political participation doesn’t allow for rationalization of the situation.

Early Leninism was just utter economic nonsense, so much so that not even the most deranged antifa would support it. It was done out of spite. Well because ya know.

I don't know if I would even say they made a mistake. Communism may very well have been an improvement over feudalism.

That's true. They did the same thing in Germany as well, when using strife and struggle to gain influence on a personal level. It's where Antifa comes from, actually, and they're still around today, from the old 1930 German Communist party as an act of civil revolutionaries

Communism is definitely not the ideal economic system- but it was almost inevitable that *something* of its nature took the place of a system in which 20,000,000 people were legally owned.

This is a bs meme but it is funny

Again, serfdom in Russian was contemporary with Victorian England.

@Nemets without Léopold, for sure. I’m not sure about the actual Belgian government of the area.

Remember that the Congo Free State wasn’t properly Belgian- it was held as the private property of the king- who was rightly forced to abdicate for his appalling governance of the territory.

@ophiuchus Not to argue of course my man, but in every other point in history when we have fought against tyrannical monarchies, it didn't turn into Communism, but a better form of Monarchies, or republicanism, imo

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN hard to argue serfdom was worse then corporate bugmanism

Highly subjective.

They're both pretty bad though...

@The Eternal Anglo No, you’re right. But this situation was different. The same social system from the Middle Ages in Western Europe was still in place almost 100 years after the French Revolution. It wasn’t going to go gently. There was no gradual easing.

The meme was just in my folder and relevant to the topic

From talking to my family in Poland, usually the take I get is that communism wasn't ideal, but there were good and bad parts. The only people really who do the whole "OMG Zimbabwe tier breadlines" routine are immigrants who exaggerate for sympathy.

My advice is take everything immigrants say with a bit skepticism

>Zimbabwe breadlines

Have to have bread to have breadlines

damnit he stole the joke

lol ya I was thinking that too

What is Zimbabwe? I have never heard of that country

@Wood-Ape - OK/MN I’m gonna start an Amish lifestyle resort. You can get the serf experience without the serf commitment. You in?

@ophiuchus hmm, that's certainly true my dude

@Evan I've farmed before. A/C in the southern summer is the only tech I'd kvetch about missing. What sort of latitude?

Oh I wouldn’t actually know how to farm. But I can sort of see that working.

@Evan Deracinated whites are always in search of "authenticity"

It’s just as bourgeoise as hiding your wealth