Message from @Sam Anderson
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just that people died during the Holodomor
which literally no one here is denying
@ophiuchus Is Norwegian easier?
@Jacob so I am assuming that the Soviets are the left side of the graph?
the graph doesn't say which side is what
wait aren't the two sides on these pyramids usually representative of gender?
Yes
That's what I thought ^^
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Okay so wamen on the left?
sorry right
its late here
I think so
wait couldn't this entire graph be explained by World War II?
Yeah this seems to explain very little
other than what we already know
You see a serious dip around late 30s to early 40s which explains combat deaths
It's the Ukrainian Soviet consensus, it translates "Sexual - age pyramid of the population of Ukraine in 1959"
Thank you
14 years after the war
ya
I'm not sure what this really adds
The pyramid shape means that there were high birth rates, bit short life expectancy (where the child mortalities could be explained) and slow growth rates
the life expectancy was like 30 in the Russian Empire
this is actually a pretty big improvement
@Jacob That's usually skewed by the infant mortality rate. In Ancient Rome, people who survived past the age of 10 would live to 60 or so.
that's a good point
infant mortality rates were extremely high back then
It should also be noted that this is a great example of a, "youth bulge." Youth bulges happen specifically when there is extreme political instability, or catastrophic events.
Youth bulges happen primarily during great deaths such as the depression, Arab spring events, or recessions.
Something worth noting is the question of why the USSR didn't just move the Ukrainians to a different location, had they know their food supply was running dry.
well
because then you'd have a massive influx of people in the other location
which would take up the food supply
Why not just lend food from neighboring States? Seems easier
because then the neighboring states wouldn't have enough food
Darn, that is true
Hit or miss, I guess they never miss huh
Here is a good primary source document of a first hand account during that time in Ukraine. From the U.S commission investigation of the Ukrainian starvation incident. https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=umn.31951d00831044s;view=1up;seq=265;skin=mobile
Here is the original document source for investigation here if you want it https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/002468069
Now what is interesting is that in the written accounts of what the Kulaks said, is that their land were stripped from them, and they were forcefully sent away from their land. Ukraine's only food source, pretty much, was forced away.