Message from @Jacob

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2019-02-05 07:22:56 UTC  

wait aren't the two sides on these pyramids usually representative of gender?

2019-02-05 07:23:11 UTC  

Yes

2019-02-05 07:23:14 UTC  

That's what I thought ^^

2019-02-05 07:23:51 UTC  

Also look at my new based and Nyanpilled pfp y'all 🤠

2019-02-05 07:23:57 UTC  

Okay so wamen on the left?

2019-02-05 07:24:11 UTC  

sorry right

2019-02-05 07:24:14 UTC  

its late here

2019-02-05 07:24:18 UTC  

I think so

2019-02-05 07:24:35 UTC  

wait couldn't this entire graph be explained by World War II?

2019-02-05 07:25:25 UTC  

Yeah this seems to explain very little

2019-02-05 07:25:32 UTC  

other than what we already know

2019-02-05 07:26:26 UTC  

You see a serious dip around late 30s to early 40s which explains combat deaths

2019-02-05 07:26:36 UTC  

It's the Ukrainian Soviet consensus, it translates "Sexual - age pyramid of the population of Ukraine in 1959"

2019-02-05 07:26:46 UTC  

Thank you

2019-02-05 07:26:48 UTC  

14 years after the war

2019-02-05 07:27:06 UTC  

And then a solid boom around the early 20s explaining the Soviet equivalent of the baby boomers

2019-02-05 07:28:16 UTC  

ya

2019-02-05 07:28:20 UTC  

I'm not sure what this really adds

2019-02-05 07:28:23 UTC  

The pyramid shape means that there were high birth rates, bit short life expectancy (where the child mortalities could be explained) and slow growth rates

2019-02-05 07:28:55 UTC  

the life expectancy was like 30 in the Russian Empire

2019-02-05 07:29:03 UTC  

this is actually a pretty big improvement

2019-02-05 07:31:06 UTC  

@Jacob That's usually skewed by the infant mortality rate. In Ancient Rome, people who survived past the age of 10 would live to 60 or so.

2019-02-05 07:32:40 UTC  

that's a good point

2019-02-05 07:32:48 UTC  

infant mortality rates were extremely high back then

2019-02-05 07:33:33 UTC  
2019-02-05 07:34:45 UTC  

It should also be noted that this is a great example of a, "youth bulge." Youth bulges happen specifically when there is extreme political instability, or catastrophic events.

Youth bulges happen primarily during great deaths such as the depression, Arab spring events, or recessions.
Something worth noting is the question of why the USSR didn't just move the Ukrainians to a different location, had they know their food supply was running dry.

2019-02-05 07:35:34 UTC  

well

2019-02-05 07:35:49 UTC  

because then you'd have a massive influx of people in the other location

2019-02-05 07:36:03 UTC  

which would take up the food supply

2019-02-05 07:36:40 UTC  

Why not just lend food from neighboring States? Seems easier

2019-02-05 07:36:56 UTC  

because then the neighboring states wouldn't have enough food

2019-02-05 07:37:30 UTC  

Darn, that is true

2019-02-05 07:37:43 UTC  

Hit or miss, I guess they never miss huh

2019-02-05 07:48:59 UTC  

Here is a good primary source document of a first hand account during that time in Ukraine. From the U.S commission investigation of the Ukrainian starvation incident. https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=umn.31951d00831044s;view=1up;seq=265;skin=mobile

2019-02-05 07:50:07 UTC  

Here is the original document source for investigation here if you want it https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/002468069

2019-02-05 07:53:52 UTC  

Now what is interesting is that in the written accounts of what the Kulaks said, is that their land were stripped from them, and they were forcefully sent away from their land. Ukraine's only food source, pretty much, was forced away.

2019-02-05 07:57:18 UTC  

My point is that Ukrainians and Russians both suffered from bad policies. The narrative that Ukrainians were targeted specifically is something that's made up to antagonize Russians.

2019-02-05 07:59:59 UTC  

Think about it logically, Sam. These same policies prioritize short term growth and economic spending but will lead to income inequality and our industry being sent south... an Easterling will do the same work as you but for far cheaper... free trade isn’t fair trade Sam... and you think the massive excursions into the Witch King’s realm pay for themselves? As if... we are looking at tremendous debt speculation, a large chunk of which is owned by elves... your children will face many financial hardships

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2019-02-05 08:01:32 UTC  

I wonder if there's a Sambo Baggins

2019-02-05 08:02:15 UTC  

Like a hybrid of Bilbo and Sam

2019-02-05 08:02:33 UTC  

Only...lower IQ