@Perihelion - CA Fortunately, I believe my church will hold and either keep status quo or strengthen restrictions. Will find out in around 4 hours though.

Let's hope for more restrictions. These people need to be forced underground again before they do more damage to our civilization and culture.

And I have nothing against individual gays, they are (overall) actually really nice people. At least the ones I know.

But they are doing major damage to our culture.

I honestly don't care if gays marriage in the country, but I don't agree with it religiously/morally, so this push to bring it to my church caught my attention.

The mistake was letting government regulate marriage at all

I don't want transgenderism or gender fluidity to be taught to my sons in school. That shouldn't be a controversial statement, tbh.

Russian "no gay propoganda" laws when?

Even if the government didn't, the fact that there are re-distributive mechanisms post-New Deal means that people of, as Putin would say, non-traditional sexual orientations or preferences, are able to avoid the natural consequences, economic and otherwise, of their poor decision-making.

...and everyone else subsidizes them.

Call me a cuck but "dont ask dont tell" was right policy and should apply more broadly

@NiceGuy My issue with "gay marriage" is they could have simply had civil unions, but they wanted to give a big middle finger to Christians, so they forced it to be "marriage". That is a pretty dirty, underhanded thing to do.

@Perihelion - CA I agree. Cuck.

It's a middle finger to heterosexuals

@Bjorn - MD Very true. The bipartisan spirit only lasted like 4 years before it fell apart again anyway

Breeding people. Christianity is beside the point

@Asatru Artist - MD Agreed.

yeah, but the "marriage" part was def a middle finger to the religious specifically.

Marriage hasn't been Christian for a long time

in modern terms, it is seen that way.

And as a (married) pagan, I realize marriage isn't just Christian. 😉

I need to be more read and have good arguments against gay marriage before I try to convince people against it, though. So many people today say "If it doesn't hurt me, let them be", but they realize the effects it has.

I was of that same mindset, until I started seeing how destructive it has become to push other degeneracy (sorry Mrs Logan!).

Marriage without the possibility of children isn't marriage. Gay marriage destroys the very concept.

Infertility isn't the same thing. Could still adopt and have a mom and a dad.

*Mfw African delegates are saving my church from allowing gay marriage*

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Bc marriage isn’t about love

Why do I get a sweaty person

its about legal protection and choice

in practical terms i mean

Choice 🤔

its about furthering your political career

@missliterallywho Choice meaning if something happens to your significant other, *you* can choose what happens.

Not the govt or their family.

Contacts other than marriage can also establish this kind of choice

@VinceChaos @Lawrence of Eurabia v tru. Love is what comes out of similar ambitions and proximity. It isn't the main purpose.

If you are doing it right it will happen by itself.

I didn't get married simply for legal reasons, btw. :-p
I'm just talking from a practical standpoint in current year.

"Doc, I don't love my woofe any moore."
"Maybe she's a blue-pilled nerd. Fire her."

My philosophy professor just referred to the MSM as maliciously ignorant.
I’m thriving

@Asatru Artist - MD right, but just cos people do get married for legal reasons, or companionship reasons, doesn't mean that's the purpose/definition of marriage historically. As in all of human history until now (Christianity being rather recent)