Even if the government didn't, the fact that there are re-distributive mechanisms post-New Deal means that people of, as Putin would say, non-traditional sexual orientations or preferences, are able to avoid the natural consequences, economic and otherwise, of their poor decision-making.

...and everyone else subsidizes them.

Call me a cuck but "dont ask dont tell" was right policy and should apply more broadly

@NiceGuy My issue with "gay marriage" is they could have simply had civil unions, but they wanted to give a big middle finger to Christians, so they forced it to be "marriage". That is a pretty dirty, underhanded thing to do.

@Perihelion - CA I agree. Cuck.

It's a middle finger to heterosexuals

@Bjorn - MD Very true. The bipartisan spirit only lasted like 4 years before it fell apart again anyway

Breeding people. Christianity is beside the point

@Asatru Artist - MD Agreed.

yeah, but the "marriage" part was def a middle finger to the religious specifically.

Marriage hasn't been Christian for a long time

in modern terms, it is seen that way.

And as a (married) pagan, I realize marriage isn't just Christian. 😉

I need to be more read and have good arguments against gay marriage before I try to convince people against it, though. So many people today say "If it doesn't hurt me, let them be", but they realize the effects it has.

I was of that same mindset, until I started seeing how destructive it has become to push other degeneracy (sorry Mrs Logan!).

Marriage without the possibility of children isn't marriage. Gay marriage destroys the very concept.

Infertility isn't the same thing. Could still adopt and have a mom and a dad.

*Mfw African delegates are saving my church from allowing gay marriage*

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Bc marriage isn’t about love

Why do I get a sweaty person

its about legal protection and choice

in practical terms i mean

Choice 🤔

its about furthering your political career

@missliterallywho Choice meaning if something happens to your significant other, *you* can choose what happens.

Not the govt or their family.

Contacts other than marriage can also establish this kind of choice

@VinceChaos @Lawrence of Eurabia v tru. Love is what comes out of similar ambitions and proximity. It isn't the main purpose.

If you are doing it right it will happen by itself.

I didn't get married simply for legal reasons, btw. :-p
I'm just talking from a practical standpoint in current year.

"Doc, I don't love my woofe any moore."
"Maybe she's a blue-pilled nerd. Fire her."

My philosophy professor just referred to the MSM as maliciously ignorant.
I’m thriving

@Asatru Artist - MD right, but just cos people do get married for legal reasons, or companionship reasons, doesn't mean that's the purpose/definition of marriage historically. As in all of human history until now (Christianity being rather recent)

yeah

Morality being divided from long term survival and instead fastened to arbitrary post enlightment ideals is the root problem imo.
Pursuit of happiness as a right -> GAY

Even "civil unions" only became necessary, as people at the time saw it, because some companies were refusing to extend insurance and other benefits to, ahem, partners, and rather than taking the voluntarist route, and simply seeking out companies that would do business with them , they felt it necessary to flex and compel EVERYONE by ushering in the concept (of civil unions).

Gotta have a default state religion or no religion, for all these complicated social ties to mean anything to everyone

Idk how to say that more eloquently at the moment

(Disclaimer I myself have no established religion)

I don't like any religious laws being pushed because it will (and already has) allowed certain religions to use it against us.

2 Abrahamic religions come to mind specifically...