Messsage from sigruna14 in Nice Respectable People Group #cyberstrike

Deleted User 2018-02-01 23:36:35  

Hit everything on there

Deleted User 2018-02-02 04:47:18  

@Felden - CO probably not, but I don't see much of a benefit to doing so.

Felden - CO 2018-02-02 04:48:37  

I deleted the memes. It would be nice to keep an account longer than a month.

Deleted User 2018-02-02 13:20:18  

Listen for the term "This had been planned for a while"

Deleted User 2018-02-02 13:20:36  

SPLC admitting to displacement as a plan

Deleted User 2018-02-02 14:02:05  

@Deleted User So, I've come to something of a minor epiphany just over this past week, largely from reading the reactions to the SF banner drop. I'm not sure why it's taken me so long to figure it out, but these people use the term "white supremacy" to mean the desire to maintain the cultural and numerical dominance of whites in tradtionally white countries. Under this definition, we are, in fact, white supremacists. In fact, @Reinhard Wolff's interview with Brittany Pettibone, wherein he says we have an interest in maintaining a super-majority in the United States, counts as white supremacy. Under this definition, all of us, most normal people, most baby boomers, and all of our grandparents (and all of their grandparents), are white supremacists.

Joe-MN 2018-02-02 14:12:19  

But... does it improve our image and chances of success if we adopt that name? People instantly think of violent skinheads.

Deleted User 2018-02-02 14:14:43  

@Joe-MN Well, I'm in the process of questioning that paradigm. The playbook says "deny being a white supremacist," which of course makes sense. But I was in a conversation yesterday where the term came up and I said "Well, the modern definition of white supremacy is whites wanting their culture and language to predominate in the United States, and that's something that our grandparents and everyone before them took for granted." The response to me was "Well that seems like a reasonable position."

Deleted User 2018-02-02 14:15:35  

This conversation was with a liberal white person.

Sam Anderson 2018-02-02 14:16:25  

This comes to the question of the viability of accepting the left’s terms, and the ability we may have as far as strength in narrative control to challenge those terms.

Deleted User 2018-02-02 14:18:45  

Aye. I know this topic to be one of older debate, but I don't think it's difficult, in response to "you're a white supremacist" to say "If you mean I want to maintain the European cultural character of the United States, I suppose I am."

Deleted User 2018-02-02 14:20:19  

Under this definition, the United States has always been white supremacist. Even the Kennedys and Linden Johnson were white supremacists, touting the Hart-Cellar Act as something that would "not change the demographics of the United States." (slight paraphrase there).

Deleted User 2018-02-02 14:22:10  

It also puts into context the black and Jewish criticisms of the United States. In the case of blacks, I'd say "Well, you're 13% of the country's population yet you want the entire country to bend to your culture and language."

Sam Anderson 2018-02-02 14:30:52  

Hm. Also if we get them to admit that white supremacy is super evil and that all of the founding fathers were white supremacists, then WHY ARE YOU HERE?

Sam Anderson 2018-02-02 14:31:22  

Like yeah I hate all of the founders of this country, but its nice there sooo.

Deleted User 2018-02-02 14:32:54  

( @sigruna14 hopefully this convo has utility for cyberstriking). @Sam Anderson it's also handy for talking to boomers. "Well you grew up in a white supremacist time. You just didn't know it because it's all there was and you took it for granted."

sigruna14 2018-02-02 14:39:40  

Oosh, my old BUGS Swarm training wants me to push back on accepting enemy terminology, but you may have a point.

sigruna14 2018-02-02 14:40:36  

But Bob Whitaker is the reason everyone says "anti white" now.

Prestor John 2018-02-02 15:58:56  

Stick to the mantra!

Perihelion - CA 2018-02-02 16:14:38  

refuse to use enemy terms

Perihelion - CA 2018-02-02 16:14:48  

it's like fighting on terrain they've entrenched and prepared

Perihelion - CA 2018-02-02 16:14:53  

make them fight on your terrain

Joe-MN 2018-02-02 16:30:50  

Leftists think about these words all the time. They obsess over them. There's a reason they choose them so there's a reason we should avoid them.

Why Tea 2018-02-02 16:48:21  

Don't let them frame the narrative. Don't allow them to define the terms. Their use of the term is an attempt to present you in a negative light.

Why Tea 2018-02-02 16:49:34  

"Well, if being a Nazi just means X, then I guess I am a Nazi, by your definition. That seems reasonable." - This does not serve you well.

Why Tea 2018-02-02 16:50:44  

The term they are using has a negative and aggressive connotation, and is a "poison term", it's a negative denotation if supremacy is considered negatively.

Why Tea 2018-02-02 16:51:14  

Since you can't control how the external listener or reader approaches the term, you can't manage and frame the discussion properly.

Why Tea 2018-02-02 16:53:51  

Use a dialectic to dissect their ad hominem: "What do you mean by supremacist?" (they say you're ebil here) "Well, I've never said I wanted to do that, and our organization's charter doesn't say anything about doing that, and there's no reason I would want to do that, it doesn't make sense, you are smearing us without evidence."

NeoRealist 2018-02-02 17:52:07  

Using the "If you say I'm X, then I proudly am X" is only used by provocetuers who want to sound witty.

NeoRealist 2018-02-02 17:52:22  

In all honesty.

NeoRealist 2018-02-02 17:53:26  

The narrative of a normie alligns with the narrative of the establishment we're against. It does us no good to affirm the narrative of the former because normies won't pick up on the irony we're implying.

NeoRealist 2018-02-02 17:55:37  

Normies and the establishment are essentially a unified entity for the sake of analyzing optics strategies. You have to destroy the narrative before you can fend it off in witty ways. Divide the two portions of the establishment so there's an audience for the irony to begin with.

NeoRealist 2018-02-02 17:56:20  

Audience is the most tantamount part in optics and appeal. People often forget that for the sake of riding ideological euphoria.

NeoRealist 2018-02-02 17:59:12  

Have you established an audience? Then by all means, affirm you're a nazi, evil, white supremacist, etc. Then, people realize that the narrative is nonsence and are inclined to support you in humiliating whoever calls you that. Surefire way to garner support for even those watching online. Spectators see an audience and subconsciously assume who has the best argument and who holds the most moral ground by their group support.

NeoRealist 2018-02-02 18:00:05  

That's how normies function. Via popular opinion. The gravity of what you say is thereby aleviated to a certain extent at that point.

Sam Southern - TN 2018-02-02 18:51:10  

For the same reason we don’t accept the DREAMER paradigm as legitimate because why the hell should we, I don’t believe accepting their definition of white supremacy is a good idea. Overton ain’t even close to far enough for us to consider that yet imo

Deleted User 2018-02-02 18:53:57  

Okay lads, I'm not saying we accept their definition of white supremacy or start calling ourselves white supremacists. I'm saying that a fair response to "You're a white supremacist" is "To the extent that you mean I wish to maintain the European cultural and political character of the United States, you're correct." I bring it up because that is, in fact, what they mean when they call us supremacists.