Hm..i dont agree entirely..

Id say that an atheist can makehis own moral base. Since even chimps have one

Pain and loss are a good basis for morality

@Baal Diablo pain and loss presuppose a standard by which there's some bodily integrity and something which makes something whole

could you rephrase?

But before Bro came

What were you talking about?

Relating to morality?

Reciprocity will generate monopoly

=> Resources will be unequally distributed. More social disparity

Isn’t that the same as the foundations for true democracy? Everyone votes for their best interest = maximized benefit AND self-correcting as interests change and performance changes opinion on who will serve the interest.

In Switzerland there is a democracy. People voted against their own interest when they wanted to raise the pensions. The didn't want it because they put a future interest - not having inflation - above the immediat interest

1. That would still be their interest, just long term
2. I meant true democracy (which only exists in theory)

Democracy is when 2 wolves and 1 sheep vote on dinner? 😄

A smart wolf would ally with the ship.

Yes. Theoretically. Maximizes utility. 🙃

But once the sheep is gone, what do they have tomorrow? 🙂 so one smart wolf may vote to not eat the sheep, let it graze grass, provide income to other wolves with by-products, and look for 100000s of birds to eat 🙂

Great argument. Nice talk to you guys ill have to go its 4:27 AM ZZzz take care

Night

Always a pleasure to have you here

anyone around?

Nope

@StoneCold316 hey, yea I’d love to chat!

Here’s a topic for everyone: mental hospitals and other assisted living institutions.

If we actually sent mentally ill people into hospitals again, how different would society be? I have this theory that almost all Democrat policies make sense in mental hospitals and prisons, and that they treat the general public like a mental hospital or prison BECAUSE so many people who belong in them are not there. They’re free and have their terrible behaviors subsidized by the rest of us.

“No guns” “hate speech” “don’t trigger him” “socialized healthcare” “welfare” “inclusion” all that stuff makes sense at a mental hospital. perhaps people who tout this stuff should be the ones giving up freedoms for it, not the rest of us.

Interesting take.

Let me see if I understand this idea correctly. Instead of having any programs or policies or social behaviors that take mental health issues into account, we just beef up the mental hospital system. If anyone shows a sign of mental unrest or unresolved trauma, place them in the institution . This institution will be its own gated society governed by leftist policies and filled with all the people that want those policies. The rest of the country lives free. They work hard and when they have an issue they pick themselves up by their boot straps. If they fail to comply with laws, they are jailed, but if their issue is emotional, and can’t be addressed by sucking it up, or just by setting their purse down, they go to the Hospital of Snowflakes?

How different would society be with universal healthcare? That’s a more practical approach to improving the welfare of society. The number of uninsured and people who don’t get medical attention because of the costs is astounding

mental health is a subset of health...funny enough we are all a little crazy...there’s a Slim Shady in all of us 🤷🏻‍♂️

Mental hospitals are healthcare. Right now, the mentally ill get to run free, and the only cost to them is that they have to vote Democrat.

They get healthcare, paid for by the rest of us. And we get mentally ill people everywhere. Not a fair trade.

I’d happily pay double in taxes if the mentally ill had living situations where they had to give up something more than a vote.

Actually, they don’t “give up a vote” — that vote is bought, by Democrats, using your money.

P.S. welfare and healthcare are concepts that exist independent of government. If you removed government from the equation, you’d still have welfare and healthcare, it would just go into the private market.

People on welfare don’t like this because theyd rather be taken care of by a government where the only cost to them is a vote than by a community member, where the cost might be work, a curfew, or giving up ANYTHING “of value” for said welfare.

Government has become the ultimate pimp, taking care of more mother and children than any other entity in society. In almost all cases, government has more authority and power over families than the men of those families do.

We need to give that authority back to the men of society.

@Ozymandias literally untrue. We all have our struggles, but not all of us are a little crazy. And I shouldn’t have to argue that with you, but because my resources are redistributed to crazy people in ways I don’t consent, I feel obligated to waste my time making these arguments.

This system benefits the incompetent at the cost of the competent, and is exactly like a ship with many holes at the bottom.

@kcon415 something like that. Basically, if you need taxpayers to take care of you, you have to follow some of the taxpayer rules like stay in your facility, obey a curfew, etc.

There would be different levels of these institutions, and programs to help find you work.

The fact that one group of people can vote for government to take from another group of people to PAY FOR THEIR WELFARE, but then give up no freedoms of their own, shows we live in a slave society.

I just want Justice in the transaction

Please watch Stefan Molyneux’s presentation on the mental health crisis in America. It’s no coincidence that when mental hospitals went away, prison population went up.

Mental hospitals are way better than prisons for the mentally ill

@JPMcGlone lol that was a troll

@JPMcGlone are you serious? you’re going to compare the cost of mental health to the cost of uninsured etc ?

That isn’t what I compared.

I simply said that “welfare” means something, and people choose to take it from government because the cost to THEM is cheap, but the cost to society is large. They trade a vote for a ton of resources.

The cost should be dialed up, and since they can’t afford it, they pay by following the rules of the taxpayers funding them. Assisted living for those who need welfare is reasonable and just.

If your next message still assumes I’m trolling, I’m writing you off as “dismissive” and we are not going to have this dialogue. Please engage in good faith.

you’re saying we are footing the bill of mental health now and then making the assumption of the cost at the ballot