Message from @Ozymandias
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Yes. Theoretically. Maximizes utility. š
But once the sheep is gone, what do they have tomorrow? š so one smart wolf may vote to not eat the sheep, let it graze grass, provide income to other wolves with by-products, and look for 100000s of birds to eat š
Great argument. Nice talk to you guys ill have to go its 4:27 AM ZZzz take care
Night
Always a pleasure to have you here
anyone around?
Nope
@StoneCold316 hey, yea Iād love to chat!
Hereās a topic for everyone: mental hospitals and other assisted living institutions.
If we actually sent mentally ill people into hospitals again, how different would society be? I have this theory that almost all Democrat policies make sense in mental hospitals and prisons, and that they treat the general public like a mental hospital or prison BECAUSE so many people who belong in them are not there. Theyāre free and have their terrible behaviors subsidized by the rest of us.
āNo gunsā āhate speechā ādonāt trigger himā āsocialized healthcareā āwelfareā āinclusionā all that stuff makes sense at a mental hospital. perhaps people who tout this stuff should be the ones giving up freedoms for it, not the rest of us.
Interesting take.
Let me see if I understand this idea correctly. Instead of having any programs or policies or social behaviors that take mental health issues into account, we just beef up the mental hospital system. If anyone shows a sign of mental unrest or unresolved trauma, place them in the institution . This institution will be its own gated society governed by leftist policies and filled with all the people that want those policies. The rest of the country lives free. They work hard and when they have an issue they pick themselves up by their boot straps. If they fail to comply with laws, they are jailed, but if their issue is emotional, and canāt be addressed by sucking it up, or just by setting their purse down, they go to the Hospital of Snowflakes?
How different would society be with universal healthcare? Thatās a more practical approach to improving the welfare of society. The number of uninsured and people who donāt get medical attention because of the costs is astounding
mental health is a subset of health...funny enough we are all a little crazy...thereās a Slim Shady in all of us š¤·š»āāļø
Mental hospitals are healthcare. Right now, the mentally ill get to run free, and the only cost to them is that they have to vote Democrat.
They get healthcare, paid for by the rest of us. And we get mentally ill people everywhere. Not a fair trade.
Iād happily pay double in taxes if the mentally ill had living situations where they had to give up something more than a vote.
Actually, they donāt āgive up a voteā ā that vote is bought, by Democrats, using your money.
P.S. welfare and healthcare are concepts that exist independent of government. If you removed government from the equation, youād still have welfare and healthcare, it would just go into the private market.
People on welfare donāt like this because theyd rather be taken care of by a government where the only cost to them is a vote than by a community member, where the cost might be work, a curfew, or giving up ANYTHING āof valueā for said welfare.
Government has become the ultimate pimp, taking care of more mother and children than any other entity in society. In almost all cases, government has more authority and power over families than the men of those families do.
We need to give that authority back to the men of society.
@Ozymandias literally untrue. We all have our struggles, but not all of us are a little crazy. And I shouldnāt have to argue that with you, but because my resources are redistributed to crazy people in ways I donāt consent, I feel obligated to waste my time making these arguments.
This system benefits the incompetent at the cost of the competent, and is exactly like a ship with many holes at the bottom.
@kcon415 something like that. Basically, if you need taxpayers to take care of you, you have to follow some of the taxpayer rules like stay in your facility, obey a curfew, etc.
There would be different levels of these institutions, and programs to help find you work.
The fact that one group of people can vote for government to take from another group of people to PAY FOR THEIR WELFARE, but then give up no freedoms of their own, shows we live in a slave society.
I just want Justice in the transaction
Please watch Stefan Molyneuxās presentation on the mental health crisis in America. Itās no coincidence that when mental hospitals went away, prison population went up.
Mental hospitals are way better than prisons for the mentally ill
@JPMcGlone lol that was a troll
@JPMcGlone are you serious? youāre going to compare the cost of mental health to the cost of uninsured etc ?
That isnāt what I compared.
I simply said that āwelfareā means something, and people choose to take it from government because the cost to THEM is cheap, but the cost to society is large. They trade a vote for a ton of resources.
The cost should be dialed up, and since they canāt afford it, they pay by following the rules of the taxpayers funding them. Assisted living for those who need welfare is reasonable and just.
If your next message still assumes Iām trolling, Iām writing you off as ādismissiveā and we are not going to have this dialogue. Please engage in good faith.
youāre saying we are footing the bill of mental health now and then making the assumption of the cost at the ballot
Yes we all now the government is too big
I agree on that point
I believe it was Hart that said our rights come with duty. To walk around in a free society where you may make loads of money off of others labor, do you then have a duty to help those that may not be fit to contribute?
H.L.A. Hart.
they do contribute though
specify the subpopulation youāre talking about
So true, but capacity is an issue here.
More so, Iām saying the cost / benefit needs to be balanced.
Weāve gotten ourselves in a situation where the Feudal Lord Democrats steal from the Merchants and give to their Serfs.
The Serfs also function as a form of guerilla army of the Feudal Lords. When the Merchants threaten the relationship between the Lords and Serfs, they sic the serfs on them.
Donāt be confused; this is exactly what is happening across US cities for the last 100 days.
Merchants subsidize the bad behaviors and choices of the Serfs, and itās done by force.
In a Democracy, all you need is more Serfs than Merchants, and the Feudal Lords win.
(This is why they want as many immigrants and people āin needā as possible)
if you want to improve anything āhealthā related the theory and research points to universal healthcare
JP, I would say that when speaking about humans, it is insulting to use business school terminology.
If you want resources, you have to give something up. Parasites try to give up the least they can to get as many resources as they can. They sap the system of its resources and offer nothing to replenish it
Humans must not be an ends, but a means in themselves right?