Message from @Artemis
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That's all I have left to say on the subject
T. Leaf who's property was made illegal
We’re trying not to get people killed.
The whole thing is going to be handled. We’re going to get him help one way or another.
For the time being, everyone just be on standby.
I think the best option may to get an SOP with others in your area.
The police rarely come out half cocked and we're always going to be on the backfoot trying to gather information.
The appeals route has been less than effective to this point. And I dont disagree we should use all lawful routes before we start dropping bodies.
I'm just asking questions to be discussed in these early days of organization of a group, nothing else
I had no idea this guy existed and I’ve been in this movement for like a year
It wouldn’t have helped him out because he didn’t reach out to any groups before hand
There will have to be an SOP for out of group situations
What are the new developments
Build an SOP for in group and out 8f group. Even more, maybe a defcon style rating system that can escalate and deescalate as things change.
"Lawful routes": does that mean let the boi in question get caged first, and hope it works out later? You won't find anyone here wishing for a firefight, but good god the law doesn't mean jack shit. If the man refuses to comply with an unethical law, send support.
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It depends if he wants to be the guy to send the unethical law to the Supreme Court
It's no longer your own personal apocalypse if you resist, like it would have been just a few weeks ago.
Once states get a little more organized it'll be easier to judge and respond to these events, as long as leadership in each state is level headed.
As for legal stuff, I may say take every non violent approach before arrest if possible. We don't want to be walked over but we don't want to be seen as bad people
The admins here may have better judgement than I do but I'm thinking nonviolent until they become violent, and making arrests is considered violent.
Avoiding a bad situation is ALWAYS prudent, agree Confused
Best to let the bad guy shoot first, completely agree
Rules of engagement, so to speak
I personally do not see counting on the legal system as prudent ROE at this time. Delaying and avoiding that at all costs first and foremost of course, but ultimately being unwilling to let yourself be caged in this environment.
@ChuckD9x19 the deadline for him to turn in stuff is tomorrow
> @ChuckD9x19 the deadline for him to turn in stuff is tomorrow
@johnnyConrad you mean today?
Nvm I was thinking 24 not 48
They'll be at his door tomorrow
Maybe
Rn we need contact with him. He is radio silent
I say they will be ontop of the red flag warrant down to the hour.
We’re in contact
Updates?
Nothing really
He’s getting a lawyer.
O Shea or Chevy?
Getting a lawyer is good but we saw what happened in Bundy when we stand up together. Not saying we need to take action but having a team at his house for a show of force could go a long way
O Shea decided a lawyer was the better way to go.
Let’s hope the Judicial system works
As of right now in this phase of the liberty movement, I believe it to be the best shot he’s got
Not saying that it is in fact the best course of action, but it is the one he wants to take.
Obviously we shouldn’t even be having these infringements happening, but right now we don’t have the support to really fight this other than in the courts.
I agree. He’s gotta do what he thinks is best