Build an SOP for in group and out 8f group. Even more, maybe a defcon style rating system that can escalate and deescalate as things change.

"Lawful routes": does that mean let the boi in question get caged first, and hope it works out later? You won't find anyone here wishing for a firefight, but good god the law doesn't mean jack shit. If the man refuses to comply with an unethical law, send support.

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It depends if he wants to be the guy to send the unethical law to the Supreme Court

It's no longer your own personal apocalypse if you resist, like it would have been just a few weeks ago.

Once states get a little more organized it'll be easier to judge and respond to these events, as long as leadership in each state is level headed.
As for legal stuff, I may say take every non violent approach before arrest if possible. We don't want to be walked over but we don't want to be seen as bad people

The admins here may have better judgement than I do but I'm thinking nonviolent until they become violent, and making arrests is considered violent.

Avoiding a bad situation is ALWAYS prudent, agree Confused

Best to let the bad guy shoot first, completely agree

Rules of engagement, so to speak

Anyway gotta drive for an hour or so, I'll catch up later

I personally do not see counting on the legal system as prudent ROE at this time. Delaying and avoiding that at all costs first and foremost of course, but ultimately being unwilling to let yourself be caged in this environment.

@ChuckD9x19 the deadline for him to turn in stuff is tomorrow

> @ChuckD9x19 the deadline for him to turn in stuff is tomorrow
@johnnyConrad you mean today?

Nvm I was thinking 24 not 48

They'll be at his door tomorrow

Maybe

Rn we need contact with him. He is radio silent

I say they will be ontop of the red flag warrant down to the hour.

We’re in contact

Updates?

Nothing really

He’s getting a lawyer.

O Shea or Chevy?

Getting a lawyer is good but we saw what happened in Bundy when we stand up together. Not saying we need to take action but having a team at his house for a show of force could go a long way

O Shea decided a lawyer was the better way to go.

Let’s hope the Judicial system works

As of right now in this phase of the liberty movement, I believe it to be the best shot he’s got

Not saying that it is in fact the best course of action, but it is the one he wants to take.

Obviously we shouldn’t even be having these infringements happening, but right now we don’t have the support to really fight this other than in the courts.

I agree. He’s gotta do what he thinks is best

Exactly. And what he (or anyone) thinks is best for themselves, that’s the route we should encourage them to go on, providing support along the way. Instead of the movement being divided by the recent events and reactions to said events

Exactly. We have to support our members no matter what action they decide to take

As long it’s not an infringement on someone else’s rights, ya know

I’m not going to keep him from getting a lawyer.

@kalebdenden can you go ahead and confirm the lawyer thing? He was stressed last I talked to him so he may have been not thinking rationally.

I’ll ask him to make sure but because of his unique situation I believe that’s what he’s going with

Then the support will have to played out for a longer time. Gonna need to have organized protests during his court dates and get his message out

Oh damn you’re me

Yes

> Build an SOP for in group and out 8f group. Even more, maybe a defcon style rating system that can escalate and deescalate as things change.
@Killgore

Step 1: identify the problem

Step 2: rate the problem on a scale 1-5. 1 being a heads up and 5 being Waco tx

Step 3: scout out problem, boots on the ground and alert group on the validity of the situation

Step 4: mobilize other boojahideen, and stage within eyesight of the situation. * no one * should * ever * handle a situation alone

Step 5: get camera footage and either contact a police liaison to tell them that this shit ain't happening. Do not act belligerent, do not act rash.