Message from @Platinum Spark

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2019-10-07 16:52:01 UTC  

What're you basing that on?

2019-10-07 16:52:59 UTC  

I can't find any studies backing that claim, and I organize in my city. Most of the people on the street have been there 1-2 years, or they're periodically in and out of temporary housing situations

2019-10-07 16:55:38 UTC  

The problem we should focus on chiefly is mental healthcare and harm reduction, if you're trying to tackle homelessness. I don't wholly disagree with the sentiment of decreasing rent (though something more aggressive than a 10% reduction is necessary), or incentivizing the expansion of more low-to-middle income housing, but presenting these things as viable solutions to solving homelessness is a mistake to me.

2019-10-07 16:56:29 UTC  

Chronic homelessness accounts for 24% of homelessness

2019-10-07 16:56:40 UTC  

76% are temporary

2019-10-07 16:57:01 UTC  

Actually addressing homelessness means a complete restructuring of mental healthcare, and a housing first approach.

2019-10-07 16:57:04 UTC  

Not like

2019-10-07 16:57:26 UTC  

just building housing they're not mentally equipped to afford

2019-10-07 16:57:43 UTC  

Yes, a single payer system would go a long way toward helping homelessness by getting people mental health care

2019-10-07 16:58:00 UTC  

It’s a multifaceted problem, absolutely

2019-10-07 16:58:19 UTC  

Also the way they're defining chronically homeless doesn't account for those who are constantly in and out of temporary housing situations

2019-10-07 16:58:20 UTC  

GG @fuck12moredeadcops, you just advanced to level 1!

2019-10-07 16:58:31 UTC  

"*Chronically homeless individuals are individuals with disabilities who have either been continuously homeless for one year or more or who have experienced at least four episodes of homelessness in the past three years where the combined length of time homeless in those occasions is at least 12 months.*"

2019-10-07 16:58:39 UTC  

It’s the technical definition

2019-10-07 16:58:43 UTC  

And they also necessitate some form of disability

2019-10-07 16:59:18 UTC  

I'm not just talking about the disabled and people who're wholly unsheltered for an entire year. Anybody who cannot find a stable living situation is in just as shite a situation

2019-10-07 16:59:32 UTC  

...ok

2019-10-07 16:59:46 UTC  

The 3 types of homelessness are chronic, transitional and disaster

2019-10-07 16:59:58 UTC  

We typically talk about chronic

2019-10-07 17:00:06 UTC  

And that’s mostly what you and trauma are talking about

2019-10-07 17:00:12 UTC  

But they’re a minority of the homeless pop

2019-10-07 17:00:31 UTC  

Mostly people who lose jobs and such

2019-10-07 17:00:47 UTC  

Transitional

2019-10-07 17:02:59 UTC  

I'm just talking about anybody without a stable living situation, I'm not sure how it ought to be arbitrarily understood for the sake of data-taking or particular social programs. If you can find somewhere to stay for 6 months in a program, but they put you back on the street at the end of the 6 months, you're suffering like any other unsheltered person to me because of the precarity involved with your living situation, but that's kind of beside the point.

2019-10-07 17:03:32 UTC  

Anybody who is without income outside of welfare, wouldn't be able to afford to live in a low-to-middle income housing situation

2019-10-07 17:03:42 UTC  

And a 10% reduction wouldn't help them much either

2019-10-07 17:04:27 UTC  

In urbanisation, housing are going to cost more in cities where most the jobs are

2019-10-07 17:04:29 UTC  

It's not a complete response to ending homelessness. Something like a Housing First policy or like we both agree single-payer could actually address the core cause of homelessness

2019-10-07 17:05:03 UTC  

Theres always going to be homelessness (as of our current time)

2019-10-07 17:05:08 UTC  

I think you’re underestimating how much a 10% reduction would alleviate housing prices

2019-10-07 17:05:20 UTC  

But sure I agree it’s not a perfect solution

2019-10-07 17:05:56 UTC  

I mean like I'm low-to-middle income. My housing combined with my roommate cost like 800 dollars

2019-10-07 17:06:01 UTC  

10% means I get 40 more dollars

2019-10-07 17:06:13 UTC  

annual or monthly?

2019-10-07 17:06:21 UTC  

Monthly

2019-10-07 17:06:34 UTC  

a 40 dollar reduction doesn't make it accessible to people in lower income brackets.

2019-10-07 17:06:40 UTC  

Jesus christ I'd fucking love to pay 800 *annually* in rent

2019-10-07 17:06:44 UTC  

that'd be fantastic

2019-10-07 17:06:52 UTC  

so you get 480 dollars a year

2019-10-07 17:07:02 UTC  

also don't you share with a roommate?