Message from @3v6en8

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2019-10-07 16:59:58 UTC  

We typically talk about chronic

2019-10-07 17:00:06 UTC  

And that’s mostly what you and trauma are talking about

2019-10-07 17:00:12 UTC  

But they’re a minority of the homeless pop

2019-10-07 17:00:31 UTC  

Mostly people who lose jobs and such

2019-10-07 17:00:47 UTC  

Transitional

2019-10-07 17:02:59 UTC  

I'm just talking about anybody without a stable living situation, I'm not sure how it ought to be arbitrarily understood for the sake of data-taking or particular social programs. If you can find somewhere to stay for 6 months in a program, but they put you back on the street at the end of the 6 months, you're suffering like any other unsheltered person to me because of the precarity involved with your living situation, but that's kind of beside the point.

2019-10-07 17:03:32 UTC  

Anybody who is without income outside of welfare, wouldn't be able to afford to live in a low-to-middle income housing situation

2019-10-07 17:03:42 UTC  

And a 10% reduction wouldn't help them much either

2019-10-07 17:04:27 UTC  

In urbanisation, housing are going to cost more in cities where most the jobs are

2019-10-07 17:04:29 UTC  

It's not a complete response to ending homelessness. Something like a Housing First policy or like we both agree single-payer could actually address the core cause of homelessness

2019-10-07 17:05:03 UTC  

Theres always going to be homelessness (as of our current time)

2019-10-07 17:05:08 UTC  

I think you’re underestimating how much a 10% reduction would alleviate housing prices

2019-10-07 17:05:20 UTC  

But sure I agree it’s not a perfect solution

2019-10-07 17:05:56 UTC  

I mean like I'm low-to-middle income. My housing combined with my roommate cost like 800 dollars

2019-10-07 17:06:01 UTC  

10% means I get 40 more dollars

2019-10-07 17:06:13 UTC  

annual or monthly?

2019-10-07 17:06:21 UTC  

Monthly

2019-10-07 17:06:34 UTC  

a 40 dollar reduction doesn't make it accessible to people in lower income brackets.

2019-10-07 17:06:40 UTC  

Jesus christ I'd fucking love to pay 800 *annually* in rent

2019-10-07 17:06:44 UTC  

that'd be fantastic

2019-10-07 17:06:52 UTC  

so you get 480 dollars a year

2019-10-07 17:07:02 UTC  

also don't you share with a roommate?

2019-10-07 17:07:22 UTC  

imagine if you didn't, the you would save 960 dollars a year

2019-10-07 17:07:29 UTC  

I pay like around 400, if our rent was reduced 10%, I'd only pay 40 less a month

2019-10-07 17:07:34 UTC  

THat's not a significant change.

2019-10-07 17:07:50 UTC  

Hey man that's a streaming service subscription

2019-10-07 17:07:53 UTC  

What is significant?

2019-10-07 17:08:26 UTC  

In terms of houses, like if you're taking out a mortgage, 10% is huge, but if you're renting, which is specifically what Warren talks about in that article, it can be miniscule.

2019-10-07 17:09:03 UTC  

You don’t live in the Bay Area

2019-10-07 17:09:03 UTC  

mortgages only work for middle class buying housing and such, while rent helps everyone who rent

2019-10-07 17:09:09 UTC  

Or on either coast

2019-10-07 17:09:14 UTC  

Like it sounds big yearly, but when you contextualize that you pay monthly or bimonthly, you're unlikely to notice unless you're paying over a thousand dollars in rent, which low to middle income people aren't doing on the regular.

2019-10-07 17:09:28 UTC  

That’s just not accurate

2019-10-07 17:09:29 UTC  

yeah, cities have higher cost than 800

2019-10-07 17:09:36 UTC  

I live in Atlanta

2019-10-07 17:09:46 UTC  

There's not housing for less than 1000 downtown

2019-10-07 17:09:47 UTC  

But like

2019-10-07 17:09:53 UTC  

Nobody doing what I do for work lives downtown.

2019-10-07 17:10:21 UTC  

mamma mia

2019-10-07 17:10:24 UTC  

here we go again

2019-10-07 17:11:28 UTC  

We’re talking about the Bay Area and NYC