When I debated holocaust deniers for instance I don't just say "fuck you you're an anti-semite", I deconstruct their arguments and explain my argument regarding the validity of their claims. Using swears and insults and whatnot doesn't further anything or persuade people to change their views, all it does is worsen the situation

Surprisingly the holocaust deniers i debated against were relatively civil

denying it even happened or do they just think the numbers were exaggerated

I've heard some of the arguments in passing... I don't blame people for wanting to investigate it further to be frank

"what is this weapon that was used to kill millions of people, how did its design work"

I don't think questioning that or anything in particular is wrong per se, but from my experience it's typically coincided with people wanting to use it as a justification to allow a holocaust to occur today or just a general form of anti-semitism.

i've heard both, but the people i actively debated denied it altogether.

I see... I have purely theological contentions with antisemitism

but that's for the other channel I suppose

I think fascism can be defined a bit more broadly

And predates gentile

Lool people who call trump fascist are stupid

Trump is literally a classical liberal

Thaaaats a pretty crazy idea

I guess what is considered "liberal" has shifted that far

That's what most modern day American conservatives are

Trump is at heart a fascist

How are you defining fascist here?

based on what though all you are doing is calling people names again

everything's shifted and it doesn't make sense

With Gentile's fascism most people can be fascist

I don’t think that’s quite accurate

oh my God it's God

That is, it’s too narrow and doesn’t take context appropriately

“Fascist, racist” you people are broken records for years

people ask what she means and she can't even say it

...right I mean these labels concretely and definitively, not as insults

just keep pedantically correcting people

So fascism is an authoritarian outcropping of conservatism

One sec, I’ll delve into that

"he's a fascist according to my own personal understanding of fascism lol"

"you guys are so dumb"

“And i mean that concretely and definitely”

A sort of communal recognition of the value of our human condition as the actor in achieving something. Basically it's a way to find a binding agent for us, and in my view that binding agent is culture, nationality, race, etc. But for maybe another person, it could be the human species as a whole. < fascism in my view

Those are just political schools of fascism. I don't think people understand the fact that America was created on classical liberalism, that's literally its core. Trump, being prideful in being an American, abides by the constitution and protects what classical liberalism strives for; freedom.

And yes, that does mean protecting the rights of speech for fringe groups.

This is what Antifa don't understand.

They're literally rallying against conservative groups who are classical liberals.

Not the alt-right.

Antifa's tactics of calling people 'nazi' will eventually make that person more aggressive against them because of counter culture.

Even Karl Popper who came up with the "paradox of tolerance" that leftists like to use, said that one should debate with fringe groups, not shut them out completely with violence.

What if that’s a calculated response

Like “if we behave in X terrible fashion people will retaliate in a way we can predict”