Message from @Throttles

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2019-10-24 21:27:42 UTC  

How are you defining fascist here?

2019-10-24 21:27:43 UTC  

based on what though all you are doing is calling people names again

2019-10-24 21:27:47 UTC  

everything's shifted and it doesn't make sense

2019-10-24 21:28:02 UTC  

With Gentile's fascism most people can be fascist

2019-10-24 21:28:23 UTC  

I don’t think that’s quite accurate

2019-10-24 21:28:35 UTC  

oh my God it's God

2019-10-24 21:28:36 UTC  

That is, it’s too narrow and doesn’t take context appropriately

2019-10-24 21:28:44 UTC  

“Fascist, racist” you people are broken records for years

2019-10-24 21:29:19 UTC  

people ask what she means and she can't even say it

2019-10-24 21:29:24 UTC  

...right I mean these labels concretely and definitively, not as insults

2019-10-24 21:29:24 UTC  

just keep pedantically correcting people

2019-10-24 21:29:48 UTC  

So fascism is an authoritarian outcropping of conservatism

2019-10-24 21:29:58 UTC  

One sec, I’ll delve into that

2019-10-24 21:30:17 UTC  

"he's a fascist according to my own personal understanding of fascism lol"

2019-10-24 21:30:20 UTC  

"you guys are so dumb"

2019-10-24 21:31:49 UTC  

“And i mean that concretely and definitely”

2019-10-24 21:32:59 UTC  

A sort of communal recognition of the value of our human condition as the actor in achieving something. Basically it's a way to find a binding agent for us, and in my view that binding agent is culture, nationality, race, etc. But for maybe another person, it could be the human species as a whole. < fascism in my view

Those are just political schools of fascism. I don't think people understand the fact that America was created on classical liberalism, that's literally its core. Trump, being prideful in being an American, abides by the constitution and protects what classical liberalism strives for; freedom.

And yes, that does mean protecting the rights of speech for fringe groups.

2019-10-24 21:34:00 UTC  

This is what Antifa don't understand.

2019-10-24 21:34:14 UTC  

They're literally rallying against conservative groups who are classical liberals.

2019-10-24 21:34:18 UTC  

Not the alt-right.

2019-10-24 21:35:42 UTC  

Antifa's tactics of calling people 'nazi' will eventually make that person more aggressive against them because of counter culture.

2019-10-24 21:37:52 UTC  

Even Karl Popper who came up with the "paradox of tolerance" that leftists like to use, said that one should debate with fringe groups, not shut them out completely with violence.

2019-10-24 21:44:00 UTC  

What if that’s a calculated response

2019-10-24 21:44:32 UTC  

Like “if we behave in X terrible fashion people will retaliate in a way we can predict”

2019-10-24 21:49:17 UTC  

Idk might be

2019-10-24 22:11:20 UTC  

So I think that definition is basically accurate, but lacks the authoritarian aspect and how it arises

2019-10-24 22:12:20 UTC  

I’ll quote the OED here- admittedly dictionaries are not the end all be all, but AI think this is a good starting place

2019-10-24 22:13:50 UTC  

An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

The term Fascism was first used of the totalitarian right-wing nationalist regime of Mussolini in Italy (1922–43), and the regimes of the Nazis in Germany and Franco in Spain were also Fascist. Fascism tends to include a belief in the supremacy of one national or ethnic group, a contempt for democracy, an insistence on obedience to a powerful leader, and a strong demagogic approach.

2019-10-24 22:14:29 UTC  

Now I think what you said about trump is a non sequitur

2019-10-24 22:15:08 UTC  

Trump has very little respect for the constitution, he has repeatedly seen checks and balances as unnecessary fetters on executive power

2019-10-24 22:15:22 UTC  

He recently said “I control the hatch act”

2019-10-24 22:15:48 UTC  

Which is as close as any American President has gotten to *l’etat c’est moi*

2019-10-24 22:17:17 UTC  

But historically, fascism has arisen only from conservative movements, basically as a populist entry to conservatism that then swallows its parent

2019-10-24 22:19:09 UTC  

The evolution basically being: institutions are the sacrosanct protectors of society > institutional influence needs to be expanded to combat societal deviance > even the institutions are corrupted, they need to be torn down

2019-10-24 22:21:26 UTC  

Trump’s railing against the deep state is very much in line with that last rhetorical step, and is reminiscent of Hitler and Mussolini’s attacks on (and ultimately dismantling of) the apolitical government institutions, military institutions and the press

2019-10-24 22:22:27 UTC  

Fascism was not a conservative movement

2019-10-24 22:22:36 UTC  

You fucking retard

2019-10-24 22:23:06 UTC  

supremacy of one national or ethnic group: blacks
a contempt for democracy: Trump won, get over it
an insistence on obedience to a powerful leader: Obama lol
a strong demagogic approach: clinton and bush family demagogs

2019-10-24 22:23:07 UTC  

In the first Fascist council in Italy, there were no conservatives present

2019-10-24 22:23:39 UTC  

Sigh honey

2019-10-24 22:23:43 UTC  

Did you even read what I wrote